Reasons Why Pence Will Make a Better or Worse President Than Trump

[Nous]

When Trump is impeached and removed from the White House, Vice President Pence will automatically ascend to the office. Although I know little about Pence, I believe he will make a better President for several reasons. The ones that come immediately to mind are:

• Pence is smarter than Trump (some people might consider that fact a strike against Pence). After all, Pence got into and graduated from law school and passed the bar. In contrast, Trump cannot name a book he has ever read, couldn't get through All Quiet on the Western Front over a period of months, is disinterested in written intelligent briefings (“I like bullets or I like as little as possible”), and unabashedly admits to getting his military advice by “watch[ing] the shows”.
• As far as I know, Pence demonstrates no evidence of being erratic, childishly impetuous, unpredictable like Trump is.
• I believe that Pence would not offend our allies and endanger our intelligence sources by blabbing classified information to the Russians. This is just another aspect of basic commonsense that Pence apparently has and which Trump is void of.
• Pence would not offend our intelligence by blatantly lying about things that are easily discovered to be lies, such phone calls he's had. Again, this is another aspect of basic commonsense.

I'm certain I could think of more reasons that Pence would be a better President than Trump if I pondered it further. I would like to hear your reasons if you believe Pence would be better or worse as President.

 

[Mindmaster]

I'm certain I could think of more reasons that Pence would be a better President than Trump if I pondered it further. I would like to hear your reasons if you believe Pence would be better or worse as President.

You don't really know, until they're President. Honestly, I feel that Trump isn't doing the best or worst job and is kinda pulling a bleh like Jimmy Carter. Admittedly, a great deal of this is from staunch neo-con and globalist opposition who aren't happy with the fact they lost and election. I think he's doing the best he can do at the time, but that isn't very good in scale to others. It'd be a mistake to blame him completely though, and his recent moves with immigration are long in coming - they are certainly just what other countries do, so we've just moved into the 21st century. (about time)

 

[esmith]

When Trump is impeached and removed from the White House, Vice President Pence will automatically ascend to the office. Although I know little .

Getting a little ahead of yourself I see. Obviously you seem to know more than the rest of us by using the word "when" vice the correct word "if".

 

[Lyndon]

You don't really know, until they're President. Honestly, I feel that Trump isn't doing the best or worst job and is kinda pulling a bleh like Jimmy Carter. Admittedly, a great deal of this is from staunch neo-con and globalist opposition who aren't happy with the fact they lost and election. I think he's doing the best he can do at the time, but that isn't very good in scale to others. It'd be a mistake to blame him completely though, and his recent moves with immigration are long in coming - they are certainly just what other countries do, so we've just moved into the 21st century. (about time)

Leave it to the admitted troll king to equate Donald Trump with Jimmy Carter!!

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

When Trump is impeached and removed from the White House, Vice President Pence will automatically ascend to the office. Although I know little about Pence, I believe he will make a better President for several reasons. The ones that come immediately to mind are:

• Pence is smarter than Trump (some people might consider that fact a strike against Pence). After all, Pence got into and graduated from law school and passed the bar. In contrast, Trump cannot name a book he has ever read, couldn't get through All Quiet on the Western Front over a period of months, is disinterested in written intelligent briefings (“I like bullets or I like as little as possible”), and unabashedly admits to getting his military advice by “watch[ing] the shows”.
• As far as I know, Pence demonstrates no evidence of being erratic, childishly impetuous, unpredictable like Trump is.
• I believe that Pence would not offend our allies and endanger our intelligence sources by blabbing classified information to the Russians. This is just another aspect of basic commonsense that Pence apparently has and which Trump is void of.
• Pence would not offend our intelligence by blatantly lying about things that are easily discovered to be lies, such phone calls he's had. Again, this is another aspect of basic commonsense.

I'm certain I could think of more reasons that Pence would be a better President than Trump if I pondered it further. I would like to hear your reasons if you believe Pence would be better or worse as President.

Agree.

My only problems with Pence are his extreme conservatism and his disregard for church-state separation, both of which already occupy the White House along with a raft of other problems that would disappear with Trump. Pence won't likely embarrass America, provoke war, or alienate allies, for example.

 

[Nous]

Agree.

My only problems with Pence are his extreme conservatism and his disregard for church-state separation . . .

I have these problems with Pence also. The thing is that a President can only do so much with respect to laws and how people are treated. Pence can't change the holding of Obergefell or other civil rights decisions, nor the laws prohibiting discrimination against certain groups. Moreover, I don't think that Pence would have perpetrated the transgender military ban that Trump did or tried to do, especially as attempt to throw red meat at his shrinking base, and especially surprising all the military brass.

 

[metis]

I've heard Pence speak many times; have not been impressed; but I will say one thing that I deeply admire about Pence-- he's not Trump, nor would it be possible for him to be worse than Trump.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

A rotting stump would make a better president than Trump.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Mike Pence said Sunday "there are *No* plans to remove NJ Governor Chris Christie as the campaign transition chief after two of Christie's former aides were convicted in the Bridgegate trial this past week." --http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/mike-pence-chris-christie-230825

Oh, sorry that news is from November 2016, and Chris Christie has been replaced as the campaign transition chief. See here: Trump packs transition team with loyalists and family

Definitely Pence is no backstabber. I'm sure he would never try to replace Trump; so lets stop all this nonsense about indictments. What a joke.

 

[Nous]

Definitely Pence is no backstabber. I'm sure he would never try to replace Trump; so lets stop all this nonsense about indictments. What a joke.

Obviously Pence does not need to be a "backstabber," or to "try to replace Trump," and Trump doesn't need to be indicted in order to be impeached and removed, which would make Pence President.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

I've heard Pence speak many times; have not been impressed; but I will say one thing that I deeply admire about Pence-- he's not Trump, nor would it be possible for him to be worse than Trump.

Pence would be a second respite in the seemingly infinite regression of progressively worse Republican presidents in my lifetime. We thought Nixon was as bad as it would ever get.

Then Reagan. Surely it would never get worse than that, we thought.

GHW Bush was a respite.

Then the younger Bush. That had to be the worse, right?

Then Trump. I find myself saying it again: Surely it can't get worse than this.

 

[metis]

Then Trump. I find myself saying it again: Surely it can't get worse than this.

That's because you've never seen me in action.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

lets stop all this nonsense about indictments. What a joke.

Trump doesn't seem to think it's a joke. He seems very concerned that Mueller got his tax returns.

I would be money that Trump doesn't finish his first term. There are simply to many paths to an early termination:

• Trump may simply get tired of being the butt of jokes and resign. This must be a difficult time for a man who thrives on being worshiped.

• He may resign to attempt to minimize his legal woes.

• His family may be pressuring him to resign so that they can go back to the life they left.

• If Putin, who is not a nice guy either, and may be just as vindictive as Trump, has been pressuring Trump to reduce or eliminate sanctions with damaging information about financial and salacious matters, he might spitefully leak some or all of that now that Trump is no longer nearly as useful to him for having signed the sanctions bill, which could lead to resignation, impeachment, or indictment.

• Muller may have the same effect with his investigation.

• Trump is toxic to congressional Republicans, who seem to resent his treatment of Sessions and whom he has demeaned and threatened. They may be looking for a means to oust him.

• The 25th Amendment is an option in the face of an increasingly unstable president.

• Or, Trump could die of natural causes. He's 71 years old, his only exercise appears to be riding a golf cart, he looks terrible - bloated, angry - and I hear he lives on fast food.

 

[Ingledsva]

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In my opinion, since all were involved, the whole group should be tossed, and the presidency given to the popular vote winner = Clinton, - until another election is held.

At which point - the Democrats had better up their game and listen to the people.

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[esmith]

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In my opinion, since all were involved, the whole group should be tossed, and the presidency given to the popular vote winner = Clinton, - until another election is held.

At which point - the Democrats had better up their game and listen to the people.

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If the whole group was tossed then the Speaker of the House becomes President....Paul Ryan. The Presidential succession is:

• • Vice President Mike Pence.
  • Speaker of the House Paul Ryan.
  • Senate President Pro Tempore Orrin Hatch.
  • Secretary of State Rex Tillerson.
  • Secretary of the Treasury Steven Mnuchin.
  • Secretary of Defense James Mattis.
  • Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

maybe we do need a written test to qualify for voting

 

[Nous]

In my opinion, since all were involved, the whole group should be tossed, and the presidency given to the popular vote winner = Clinton, - until another election is held.

You don't really think it's a good idea to violate the Constitution, do you?

 

[Ingledsva]

If the whole group was tossed then the Speaker of the House becomes President....Paul Ryan. The Presidential succession is:

• • Vice President Mike Pence.
  • Speaker of the House Paul Ryan.
  • Senate President Pro Tempore Orrin Hatch.
  • Secretary of State Rex Tillerson.
  • Secretary of the Treasury Steven Mnuchin.
  • Secretary of Defense James Mattis.
  • Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

maybe we do need a written test to qualify for voting

I understand normal succession quite well.

We are talking illegally taking the office.

If the Republican side committed crimes to take the office, then they should be stripped of the presidency - the office, - until new election can be held.

It should go to Clinton as she had the popular vote. This is logical.

Allowing Republican succession after illegal acquirement of the office - would be gifting the Republicans for crimes, - and saying "scr*w you" to the public whom gave Clinton the popular vote.

This would be an easy one for lawyers to win.

If the office was acquired by illegal actions, then there is no right to succession within the party illegally holding that office.

That leaves only Clinton until new elections are held.

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[esmith]

I understand normal succession quite well.

We are talking illegally taking the office.

If the Republican side committed crimes to take the office, then they should be stripped of the presidency - the office, - until new election can be held.

It should go to Clinton as she had the popular vote. This is logical.

Allowing Republican succession after illegal acquirement of the office - would be gifting the Republicans for crimes, - and saying "scr*w you" to the public whom gave Clinton the popular vote.

This would be an easy one for lawyers to win.

If the office was acquired by illegal actions, then there is no right to succession within the party illegally holding that office.

That leaves only Clinton until new elections are held.

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If you truly believe this do you not think that you are advocating for a hostile takeover of the country? This is what 3rd world banana republics do.

 

[Nous]

I understand normal succession quite well.

We are talking illegally taking the office.

If the Republican side committed crimes to take the office, then they should be stripped of the presidency - the office, - until new election can be held.

It should go to Clinton as she had the popular vote. This is logical.

Allowing Republican succession after illegal acquirement of the office - would be gifting the Republicans for crimes, - and saying "scr*w you" to the public whom gave Clinton the popular vote.

This would be an easy one for lawyers to win.

Wow. Just wow. What color is the sky in your world?

There are no grounds to argue that the Constitution should be violated in the way you are advocating. Civil societies do not make up new rules about who should be President just because Ingledsva doesn't like the current one.

 

[Jesster]

I'm all for a hostile takeover at this point. Someone mentioned a rotting stump president. That sounds nice.