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Redesign the US

How would you redesign

  • I'm a jerk who wants everyone to agree with me. So the current system stays.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Actually expand the current system so the entire country is lockstep

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • Make regions like CHAZ everywhere.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No autonomous zones. But the entire country ought to be split West/East (East keeps Texas)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No autonomous zones. But the entire country ought to be split North/South (North keeps California)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • California, Oregon, and Washington are actually turned into one big liberal island

    Votes: 2 28.6%
  • Have a civil war. Whoever wins gets control of the country (Sigh...)

    Votes: 2 28.6%
  • Make two presidents and two governors, then separate by district and state who rules

    Votes: 2 28.6%

  • Total voters
    7

Samantha Rinne

Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
It's like this.

Far beyond a North/South conflict, in some states like Virginia, they don't even get along from district to district.

I live in Heathsville, and our town is directly on an electoral district line. Eastern Heathsville (pfft, look at me, acting like it's Germany or something) has a fairly Democratic population, whereas my part of Heathsville is conservative.

The thing is, winner-take-all system means that if a state has plenty of conservative districts but a huge enough city population, they basically get cities telling the rest of the state how to live their lives. This doesn't work! City people know next to nothing about living in the country, and in places like Texas, small segments of the state really hate living under conservative rules (hmmm, but not badly enough to leave).

This also means that when NoVA has like 1000 cases of Coronavirus (I haven't checked the figures anymore) yet rural Virginia in many counties has less than 9 cases, the entire state is under quarantine for months upon months while cities seem to have no empathy about the isolation and poverty the small towns are subjected to, and small towns can't relate to people coming down with a disease when everyone around them seems well. Again, this doesn't work!

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So let's say you've got a bunch of government people together in a room, and Donald Trump has said, "Okay guys, we're gonna have a consensus. Nobody is leaving until we come up with a new system for getting the country to get along." Of course, everyone now hates him, but they stay and argue it out. So they come up with several ideas:
  1. The biggest control freaks want to retain the current system of winner-take-all.
  2. Even worse ones want the entire country to be united, so if a liberal president runs, the entire country is the same. In this way, the country is united, but many people who are outvoted are likely miserable.
  3. Other people want disorganized zones like CHAZ around the country. There's no way this would destabilize the country and make it easier for China or Saudi Arabia to take it over...
  4. Still others want to divide the country half (either horizontally or vertically), making a border line, complete with passports. The government is united under one president and major laws are the same, but the two lands are somewhat sovereign.
  5. Still others want California, Oregon, and Washington to be split physically into an island away from the US. It's a smaller area than half the country, but in return it is completely sovereign, and anyone who wants to move gets free passage there on the condition they don't come back.
  6. Still others want to just fight it out for control of the nation.
  7. The last group just wants to do away with winner-take-all and have the top candidates for Republican and Democrat run each state as governor (and the same for President). This means Hillary runs states she won, and Trump wins states he won (but Bernie gets no states, even though he won some because he wasn't a top candidate). Likewise, West Heathsville is run by Ed Gillespie while Easter Heathsville is run by Northam. People who want to move are given enough money to relocate their house.
And they basically can't decide. So they put it to a public vote. How would you vote?

 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Allow Texas to secede, encourage the evangelicals, tea partiers, and Trump cultists from the other states to relocate there, and then build the wall, albeit around the opposite side of the state.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Im not in favor of any of those options. Though I would favor the West Coast being a Leftist state, but bot liberal as liberals are freedom-hating, liberty killers next to me.
 

Samantha Rinne

Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
Im not in favor of any of those options. Though I would favor the West Coast being a Leftist state, but bot liberal as liberals are freedom-hating, liberty killers next to me.

Hence the island. I figure leftist types who aren't into forcing everyone to agree with them would jump at the chance to move to a country where liberalism can basically be allowed to act unimpeded, and the rest of us get some peace and quiet. That said, Washington is a really pretty state near Olympia and Whidbey Island.


The last option would make the US very weird.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
None of the above.

It's quite possible to build a true, representative democracy. It's not even that difficult, but it takes a lot of systemic reform to both elections and to how governing bodies are composed.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Reduce the number of states to be more akin to territories, regulate against predatory redistricting and segregationist district plans and gerrymandering, remove the electoral college, mail in voting optional in every state for both local and federal elections.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
@Samantha Rinne , I'm staying out of the main thrust of the thread. I'll leave it to people living in the States.
But just wanted to mention it's not just winner take all systems that have the issue around government not representing some segments of the population. We use preferential voting here, and you still end up with the same issue (although I think it has substantial impact on the viability of third parties, etc).

The borders of our voting division changed and I went from being in a left-leaning affluent division which generally voted Labour to a blue chip Liberal seat (ie. Conservative) where the Federal Member is one of my least favourite politicians in Australia.

To be clear, I've voted Liberal before, and would do so again....maybe...lol
But this guy...ugh. Odious. And now he's representing me, since our little pocket of heaven has been added to a neighbouring one (despite being separated by substantial parklands, a major river, etc), and taken away from our immediate geographical neighbours.

But, oh well!

It certainly made my vote feel less important, although I didn't allow that to inform my actions.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
I would love it if the West coast would secede. Finally, our votes would actually count as actual votes. No more electoral college.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
What about having a vote? (Assuming you can find someone who is able to conduct an election in the US that isn't rigged.)
If part of a country isn't willing to carry a system any more, it is time to split before it gets violent. Have a democracy at the coasts and a monarchy in the south and the fly-over states.
 
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