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References -- how should American's rate Donald Trump's from people he worked with?

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
There is a long list of one-time allies and aides who have either turned against former President Donald Trump or whom he has turned against.

Whenever I've hired employees, I've always checked their references. I don't always believe or totally accept them, but they do provide some guidance in my hiring choices.

No person in US politics – certainly no recent president – has such an expansive list of high-profile allies turned enemies.

His longest-serving White House chief of staff, retired Marine Gen. John Kelly, delivered an incredible rebuke of Trump’s personality and leadership in an on-the-record statement to CNN’s Jake Tapper.

A couple of examples:

1. His vice president, Mike Pence: “The American people deserve to know that President Trump asked me to put him over my oath to the Constitution. … Anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be president of the United States.”

2. His second attorney general, Bill Barr: “Someone who engaged in that kind of bullying about a process that is fundamental to our system and to our self-government shouldn’t be anywhere near the Oval Office.”

There are more in the linked article -- but I think they speak volumes.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
In my opinion, there are three camps of Trump supporters:
  1. the genuinely stupid,
  2. the irresponsibly opportunistic, and
  3. the socio-political retrogrades who feel validated.
And, of course, there are overlaps.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
In my opinion, there are three camps of Trump supporters:
  1. the genuinely stupid,
  2. the irresponsibly opportunistic, and
  3. the socio-political retrogrades who feel validated.
And, of course, there are overlaps.
There is one other type that is quite common.
The not-stupid voter who isn’t politically engaged, and mistakenly believes the lies because they don’t investigate things. They lean Republican, and are essentially just “coasting” through the campaign.
It’s frustrating to discuss the election with them becoming they don’t want to accept facts that would overturn their comfortable position.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
Sorry, but what is a "socio-political retrograde"?

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