Rejecting people or rejecting God.

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Salam

I think the most difficult thing in Islam, is that you have to reject many people. That is you don't accept them as good people but rather are evil destined to hell.

But the flip side of that, is because humanity has not united on guidance of God, the rebellious can be forcing accepting them or rejecting God. That is either accept them or reject God.

For example, a bisexual woman. You may see her as kind, cool, etc. However, they are when presenting themselves to be accepted, they are in indeed saying you should reject God's judgment on them and rather accept them.

This is not an easy decision either way. To reject Quran and guidance for a person is not easy. And to accept guidance and reject a person you care about is not easy as well.

This shows the importance of being sincere to truth. If Islam is false, it should not be followed. And if true it should be and people rejected instead.

We don't get to make up God per our whims just so that we can fit people in paradise.

 

[an anarchist]

We don't get to make up God per our whims just so that we can fit people in paradise.

Perhaps that's all scripture is though, just someone's whims.

Perhaps the authors were homophobic, so bisexual people didn't fit into their idea of paradise.

This shows the importance of being sincere to truth. If Islam is false, it should not be followed. And if true it should be and people rejected instead.

What do you think though, absent of the Quran? Do bisexual people belong in hell? Do you think that is right? Do you think a moral God would do such a thing?

 

[LuisDantas]

Do you think that is a valid, morally defensable argument for god-belief? Or perhaps specifically for belief in Allah and/or the Qur'an?

It seems to me that we do, in fact get to make up gods per our whims. It is perhaps entirely unavoidable, even.

Of course, the Qur'an disagrees with me quite strenuously on this matter. But I don't mind disagreeing with the Qur'an. It has no authority over me, nor should it.

 

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What do you think though, absent of the Quran? Do bisexual people belong in hell? Do you think that is right? Do you think a moral God would do such a thing?

I can't really think outside of Quran though. It has guided me to the principles I believe in. I don't make up God, I submit to the one true God.

 

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Do you think that is a valid, morally defensable argument for god-belief? Or perhaps specifically for belief in Allah and/or the Qur'an?

It seems to me that we do, in fact get to make up gods per our whims. It is perhaps entirely unavoidable, even.

Of course, the Qur'an disagrees with me quite strenuously on this matter. But I don't mind disagreeing with the Qur'an. It has no authority over me, nor should it.

I'm saying this where researching truth is important. We don't want to reject people for false whims of a fake Prophet nor do we want to reject the one true God because evil transgressors present themselves as good and acceptable.

 

[an anarchist]

I can't really think outside of Quran though.

Perhaps start by thinking outside the Quran.

You make an OP asking if you should reject people as in people who don't follow Islam. To answer your OP I think you should try to look at things from a non Islamic perspective.

I submit to the one true God.

Ah, how many religions and people claim this. How can you know Islam is true if you can only think within the framework of the Quran?

 

[firedragon]

Perhaps that's all scripture is though, just someone's whims.

You can't just say "perhaps" and get away with it. You have to stand by your claims and prove them, study them, provide evidence. This is just so irresponsible. Why do you evangelists do that?

What do you think though, absent of the Quran? Do bisexual people belong in hell? Do you think that is right? Do you think a moral God would do such a thing?

How do you decide a God would do? Are you a bigger God? Think about things mate. Don't just blurt things out because the prophets you worship said so.

 

[an anarchist]

For example, a bisexual woman. You may see her as kind, cool, etc. However, they are when presenting themselves to be accepted, they are in indeed saying you should reject God's judgment on them and rather accept them.

This is not an easy decision either way.

It should be easy.

Do you reject/discriminate against someone for being gay, or do you treat them as an human being and equal?

It should be an obvious answer.

 

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Perhaps start by thinking outside the Quran.

You make an OP asking if you should reject people as in people who don't follow Islam. To answer your OP I think you should try to look at things from a non Islamic perspective.

Ah, how many religions and people claim this. How can you know Islam is true if you can only think within the framework of the Quran?

I'm saying we should seek the truth. We should neither reject people out of whims of wanting a religion to be true nor should we reject the one true God for want of accepting people as good who would otherwise be deemed evil in his judgment.

I didn't reason about sexuality outside of what Quran guided me to. So it would be dishonest if I presented reasoning as if it was independent of the guidance I received from the Quran.

 

[firedragon]

Ah, how many religions and people claim this. How can you know Islam is true if you can only think within the framework of the Quran?

Is your methodology "He says the same thing so I reject you"? Is that even a standard? Is that your science?

 

[an anarchist]

You can't just say "perhaps" and get away with it. You have to stand by your claims and prove them, study them, provide evidence. This is just so irresponsible. Why do you evangelists do that?



How do you decide a God would do? Are you a bigger God? Think about things mate. Don't just blurt things out because the prophets you worship said so.

What the heck are you talking about about?

Prophets I worship? Evangelist?

What am I trying to get away with? LOL

Perhaps scripture is just peoples whims. Oops I said it again!

 

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It should be easy.

Do you reject/discriminate against someone for being gay, or do you treat them as an human being and equal?

It should be an obvious answer.

I think it's not only gay people but Quran has it that anyone who wants the life of this world as opposed to striving for the next, to be in hell.

Gay people tend to emphasize they should be accepted because it's not a choice they made. I believe it is a choice but one that develops early on in life.

 

[firedragon]

Prophets I worship? Evangelist?

Of course. You worship some prophets somewhere. You are repeating what they say. They influenced you mate. You just like the word "prophet". That's it.

And yes. You are an evangelist. That's why you are making all of these evangelical dogmatic statements in a "religious forum".

What am I trying to get away with? LOL

Not "LOL" Your question is answered in the same comment you responded to. Perhaps read it.

Perhaps scripture is just peoples whims. Oops I said it again!

Very good. Grown up.

Well, you are wrong. Perhaps because you are absolutely ignorant on all of these topics you are talking about. So mate. "Perhaps". Actually, I would directly tell you that you are absolutely ignorant on these so called "scriptures" you are talking about. Absolutely.

 

[an anarchist]

I think it's not only gay people but Quran has it that anyone who wants the life of this world as opposed to striving for the next, to be in hell.

 

[an anarchist]

Actually, I would directly tell you that you are absolutely ignorant on these so called "scriptures" you are talking about. Absolutely.

Nah

 

[LuisDantas]

I'm saying this where researching truth is important. We don't want to reject people for false whims of a fake Prophet nor do we want to reject the one true God because evil transgressors present themselves as good and acceptable.

I suppose.

As it happens, it is a non-problem.

 

[firedragon]

Nah

Absolutely. Have some responsibility.

Ciao.

 

[an anarchist]

Of course. You worship some prophets somewhere. You are repeating what they say.

You're completely wrong by the way. Bold of you to assume my religion from across a computer screen.

I am not religious at all LOL

 

[an anarchist]

Absolutely. Have some responsibility.

Ciao.

No u.

 

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The standards of Quranic goodness enough to enter paradise are pretty high. The good news per Quran is that if we pray to God and seek his help, he will guides us and aide us by a spirit from him.

We probably all can't just destroy desire of the life of this world on our own. But if we desire God, his Messengers, and his light, we will be helped and we will be given something higher.

There are many reasons desiring the life of this world is condemned. One is that people suffer in this world and it's sufficient as a disease to go with a stomach full while your neighbor is starving.

This world by its nature forces you either to strive for justice and hope in God's reward in that regard, or ignore duty and just enjoy life and deceive yourself about next world.

One of things it took me a long time to understand, is that they don't mesh together. You either desire God or the the lower world. Not both.