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Relationship between Tengri and religions

ancalimon

Member
I have knowledge about Tengriism, which is more of a philosophy and a Code of Living than a religion. I have come to conclusion that religions are byproducts of the Tengri idea and all prophets are somehow related to Khezer (Hızır in Turkish).

Also, mythological Gods may be related to Tengri according to my research.

I'd like to post a part of a free book.
You can find the full book which is fun to read if you like reading here: http://adji.ru/book11_1.html

I'll keep adding articles,pictures related to my research on this topic and translate the parts I find necessary to English.

The Turkis and Christianity

Why did the young Bishop Gregoris come to see the khan and what did he ask for? No, it was not military assistance.
This time, the Armenians were asking to be taught how to win. They (both pagans and Christians) wanted to adopt faith in the God of Heaven who had made the Turkis invincible. Christian Bishop Gregoris was the first European to come to the Turkis to learn about the faith in Tengri so he could then teach it to his people. In fact, he wanted to follow the example of Gheser and Khan Erke, this time in Europe.
At the time, hardly any European had as much as heard about the God of Heaven. Jews prayed to idols (teraphim) and pagan gods (elohim), and the Romans worshipped Jupiter. Heathen polytheism and dark barbarism were rampant across all of Europe.
In stark contrast to them Christians revered no gods, denying them all and calling themselves atheists. They were awaiting the arrival of the horsemen on a mission from the God of Heaven. The horsemen did come.
The Kipchaks' arrival at the boundaries of the Roman Empire and their brilliant victory over Iran impressed all, Christians above all. The Kipchaks were on everybody's lips - they were too outlandish to go unnoticed. Their iron armour and weapons made them look out of a different world in the Europeans' eyes. And they really were - from the bright world under the high sky of Tengri.
Heathen Europe looked at them bottom-up, like a foot soldier does at a horseman. Europe lost to the Turkis on all counts, the principal of which was faith in God - really an asset it lacked conspicuously, in God who gave the Turkic people plenty of iron and an ability to make the most of it.
A simple example will emphasise the importance of iron. A well-landed blow with an iron sword could cut a bronze one in two. In other words, Roman troops had no arms to resist the Kipchaks. Like prehistoric men with nothing else but wooden clubs.
You can say whatever and however you like about the collapse of the Roman Empire, put forward any hypotheses and make any guesses. All discussion would be a waste of time unless you consider this simple fact.
Turkic Tengri stood for iron and Rome's Jupiter symbolised bronze. The Kipchaks were to win inevitably, just as iron was superior to bronze. The Roman Empire was doomed, fully at the mercy of the Kipchaks, if and when they cared to finish it off.
The Armenians would not send Bishop Gregoris for nothing. They were probably the only Europeans who made the correct guess about the course of future events, and did whatever they could to distance themselves from Rome on its deathbed, even if not dead yet.
These were the reasons that brought the teenage bishop to Derbent. He was baptised there (ary-sili or ary-alkyn in Turkic) by immersion in water blessed by a priest holding a silver cross over it three times.
Baptism with water is a key rite of the Tengri worship. In fact, initiation into the faith or, in other words, into the Turkic world. Baptism originated in the Ancient Altai where newborn babies were dipped in ice-cold water before they entered into the realm of the Eternal Blue Sky. (The baptismal bath made a child tiurk, which the Chinese translated as "strong" or "robust".)
Another ancient Turkic word, aryg, meant "pure" in spirit. It was applied to a person that had gone through a cleansing ceremony.
The use of water for baptism goes back to the Ancient Altai, among people who cared for their bodily and spiritual purity. Today, introduction of baptism is ascribed to Christians or to some other creed. It is completely wrong. Early Christians could not use baptism for the simple reason that Europe first learned about the ritual with the arrival of Kipchaks. This is an indisputable fact that is not covered up by Christian historians themselves. Baptisteries, or basins to have Christians baptised, were first built in the 4th century.
As added evidence, Tibetans, who adhere to traditions of faith in Tengri, still perform ary-alkyn and ary-sili rites.
The Armenian bishop was, therefore, the first European to be admitted to the faith in Tengri. That was the Turkis' own way, full of spiritual symbolism, to express their relation to alliance with the West. Gregoris was baptised in a lake, Aji or Lake Cross, near the village of Kayakent.
Turkic priests took the spiritually pure Gregoris to Hamrin where he was initiated into the mystery of the World Tree. He was shown the Turkis' sacred texts, in particular, Tengri's covenants, which have, as far as can be judged by fragments, been incorporated in the Koran. And then, following an admission ceremony, he was allowed to join together the thumb and fourth finger of his right hand, a godly sign of reconciliation.
In Oriental symbolism, the two joined fingers signified allegiance to Heaven. They were then lifted to the forehead, lowered to the chest, raised again to the left shoulder and then the right shoulder. The Turkis used this gesture to ask the God of Heaven for protection and patronage. (Bishop Gregoris was thus the first Christian who made the sign of the cross.)
Early Christians did not cross themselves, being unaware of the force of the cross, and they adopted this practice from the Kipchaks.
Gregoris told his hosts of Christ, whom he worshipped, about Europe and persecution of Christians. The Turkis believed him, accepting Christ for the Son of the God of Heaven, because they knew of other sons of Tengri, in particular, Gheser, the Turkic people's Prophet. Gheser is extolled in a prayer, which is very brief and emotional.
"We gave you Gheser, so say your prayers to God…." This is phrase from Tengri's Testament. (Today, it makes up Sura 108 of the Koran.) The East still remembers these words, even though the meaning of Gheser (Kawsar or Kewser) is not clear to all.
Gregoris spent a long time learning the mysteries of divine service. Turkis helped him to set up a Christian church in Derbent. (Many years later, it was renamed Albanian Church, after a new country in the Caucasus, Albania, Gheser being probably one of its cities.)
Armenia was the first country in Europe to have a new Christian church in 301. The Armenian church accepted Tengri and adopted His cross. And more, Armenians borrowed the principles of divine service from the Turkis. (Previously, Christians had no rite of their own and followed Judaic practices in synagogues.)
Armenians also were the first defectors from the old practices, causing ire and indignation in Rome. In response, Emperor Diocletian unleashed his notorious persecutions of new Christians.
No Christian was, however, frightened by executions and banishment. The new faith acquired growing numbers of followers instead. The seeds of Turkic culture sprouted into plentiful shoots on the barren soil of heathen Rome. Indeed, no one can defy the omnipotence of the God of Heaven.
Now, the various peoples comprising the Roman Empire talked without fear about the helplessness of the old gods. They openly rejected Jupiter, crushed Mercury's statues and smashed idols.
"What Tengri says will be."
In the end, Rome saw light as well. At one time, Emperor Diocletian wanted to convert to new Christianity, but took fright at the last minute. In desperation he abdicated and left the imperial palace. A wise politician, he realised that he had lost to the Turkis.
He was defeated without ever engaging the Turkis on the battlefield.
On his departure exactly, the Roman Empire gave way, without war or catastrophe. It ceased to be so self-assured and believe in itself, the greatest of earthly sins.
 

ancalimon

Member
The Cross on Europe's Temples

Armenia and Albania (Caucasus), followed by Iveria (modern Georgia), Syria and Egypt were all looking forward to the arrival of the Kipchaks: the Great Migration of the Peoples continued over their territories. Or rather it was the Great Migration of the Cultures.
Tengri's cross and Turkic spiritual culture were acclaimed and accepted everywhere. New Christianity (patterned on the Turkic faith) promised them complete freedom from Roman rule.
The Kipchaks instituted a Patriarchal See for the benefit of people in those countries in Derbent. It was a signal beginning, that early theological school for the West. Again, people came here, as they did to the Altai and the Kushan Khanate centuries before, to learn knowledge and experience. The school provided training to early Christian priests, taught them to perform rites and conduct divine services, initiated them in the mystery of faith, and trained preachers.
How else could Europeans learn about the God of Heaven? From that time on, the Caucasus remained for long Europe's proselytizing centre.
The world's first Christian church was built in Derbent. It was patterned on Turkic temples, which could not be entered by the parishioners. Hundreds of people flocked to the new spiritual spring source from former Roman colonies.
The church building has survived to our days under layers of soil. It was unearthed by archaeologists by accident, as they were digging in the fortress under another project. No one expected to find it there. At first, they mistook it for an old granary. As they dug deeper, however, they realised they had uncovered an ancient temple buried in the ground intact, from foundation to dome. God saved it from destruction after so many centuries.
Turkis built their temples to resemble equal-armed crosses from a bird's-eye view. The temple in Derbent exactly fulfilled this requirement. Besides, it is small and has brick walls, widespread among the Kipchaks.
Similar churches were soon built in Armenia, Iveria and other countries allied with the Kipchaks. Their Turkic origins are suggested by signs their builders cut in the church walls. Researchers scratched their heads for a long time, "What these unintelligible signs could mean?"
The answer was very simple. They were tamghas, or peculiar seals. Every one of Turkic tribes (or tuhums) had one. (Incidentally, the tamgha laid the beginnings for European heraldry, an imaginative science studying symbols and genealogies.)
After centuries of silence, the inscriptions on the walls of old churches spoke up when the tamghas' owners were identified.
An inscription in ancient Turkic in an Armenian church says, for example, "Accept this gift for the monastic brotherhood." It ends with the donor's tamgha.
This gift was given, among other donations, by the Turkis to the Armenian people about seventeen hundred years ago to celebrate the Armenians' admission to the new faith. A short phrase, it speaks much about the peoples' destinies.
A stone block in another church, near the chapel dedicated to Vachagan III the Blessed, bears a mason's engraving of a horseman wearing a priest's clothing. He sat on his horse in a Turkic fashion, straight up, his legs down without stirrups.
Another puzzle to be unravelled? No, if we know that priests never used stirrups riding in the steppe. Simply, they were not allowed to use them, the stirrups being a prerogative of warriors.
November 10, 326, was a day for celebrations in Armenia - the Tengri Cross was raised on that day over Europe's first few churches. From that day on the Armenian people have been loyal to their newly acquired faith and the liberation mission of their cross.
The Holy Cross feast has always been a joyous occasion for celebrations in Armenia, for it was a turning point in its history. And right were the Armenians calling St. Gregory the Illuminator, head of the Armenian Church, a Saint - he actually showed the road to the Turkis to his grandson and his people.
St. Gregory departed from Derbent riding a royal chariot under a cavalry convoy - he was carrying with him an equal-armed cross, a sacred symbol and sign of a new Europe, from the Turkic world.
The Turkis conferred a high, indeed very high, honour upon the head of the Armenian Church, giving him the title of katylic, which is "ally" or "initiated" in Turkic. This title, modified to Catholicos over centuries (with the Greek ending "-os" added on later), has been retained to our day.
Christian communities in Syria, Egypt and the Byzantine Empire kneeled before this God's servant, the first true pastor of the Christian world. Armenia's authority was growing tremendously in those years.
Armenia provided a conduit for European and Mediterranean culture to absorb the secular and spiritual treasures of the Turkic world. The words "Light comes from the East" have since acquired a more than simple physical meaning.
Really, Light comes from the East.
Europe knew very little about the East. Its encounters with the Turkic world were infrequent and sporadic. The Romans took advantage of public ignorance to brand the Kipchaks as villains and vicious and savage barbarians so as to scare off people and prolong their domination. Unfortunately, they succeeded in many of their designs.
Bishop Gregoris was the only European to know the truth about the Turkic people and its culture. He lived in Derbent, conducted service in the name of the God of Heaven and he knew the Kipchaks firsthand. He was like a Prophet whose dedicated service was reminiscent of Gheser's deeds. Europeans called Gregoris an Evangelist.
That went against the plans of the God of Heaven's haters lying in wait in Rome. Rome's rulers were afraid of hearing the truth about the Kipchaks and feared their arrival in Europe. As on numberless occasions before, they resorted to defamation, which was their favourite tool. That was easy enough for them to do for Gregoris was a scion of a noble Iranian family. Not without Iranian help, they accused the young bishop of the fall.
The tragic day of trial came. Gregoris had nothing to say in his defense. All facts were against him. The Turkis put him to a painful death, in Derbent's central square. They tied the young man to the tail of a wild horse and the judges pronounced the sentence.
Gregoris did not plead for mercy before death, as he had not at trial. He uttered no words for he had nothing to be sorry of. All he did was look up to the sky and say quietly: Tengri salg'an namusdan k'achmas ("What Tengri says will be").
The awe-struck judges did not immediately grasp the meaning of his last phrase. When they did, it was too late - the horse was galloping along the seashore and was very far to attempt to stop it.
The execution was promptly pronounced a martyred death and prayers were said to Tengri to make the soul of the hero and innocent victim the Kipchaks' patron. It was an ancient Altaic tradition to seek protection from a fallen hero.
From that very moment Bishop Gregoris was given a Turkic name, Jargan ("recklessly desperate"). In spirit he became one of Turkis, a man as recklessly desperate as the Kipchaks themselves. The Turkis accepted him into their community and said many prayers for Jargan's soul to be reincarnated in a newborn Turkic boy, never to leave the Turkic world.
(A note must be made here that the Turkis attached tremendous importance to name changing and reincarnation of the soul since a very distant past, because, in particular, change of name marked the end of an old life and beginning of a new life.)
Jargan was buried with high honours befitting a Turkic national hero, on top of the highest mountain there was at Derbent. A small chapel was put up on his grave, and a church was built on the execution site.
A miracle occurred on the ninth day after burial - a water spring struck next to the grave. Curative water spouted out of the ground on the very mountaintop where no springs had ever existed before. Pilgrims started coming to the grave from places far and near.
A small village soon grew up nearby - guards and their families now lived there. The secrets of the holy place were closely guarded from generation to generation. The guards tended the spring and people continued to come here to pay their respects, and still do.
 
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