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SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
My family believes Jesus is literally God. Therefore, in their minds, there is nothing but benefit when it comes to believing and nothing but negatives when it comes to disbelief. The part of my argument I don’t think they will accept is the idea that the have to entertain the possibility of being wrong when it comes to the Bible.

Is there any way I can beef up my argumentation or logic? Is there any shortcomings that you see in it?
I've never felt compelled to argue my family's religion with them. I just went my own way.

Why do you feel compelled to invalidate their beliefs?
 

Eddi

Christianity, Taoism, and Humanism
Premium Member
I want to practice/present a specific argument. It is one I am going to present to my religious family to try to get them to understand/accept that I am not religious (if I choose to not be religious, which is likely).

If, by chance, the Holy Bible is not the literal truth, then it would serve to reason that it would not benefit the mental health of every individual tasked with believing in it as literal truth. If, by chance, there is no God, then it would not be inherently beneficial for an individuals mental health to believe in one. On the contrary, if there is no God, then it could very well be detrimental to a specific individual’s mental health to believe in one.

My family believes Jesus is literally God. Therefore, in their minds, there is nothing but benefit when it comes to believing and nothing but negatives when it comes to disbelief. The part of my argument I don’t think they will accept is the idea that the have to entertain the possibility of being wrong when it comes to the Bible.

Is there any way I can beef up my argumentation or logic? Is there any shortcomings that you see in it?
Can't you just lie to them?
 

PureX

Veteran Member
I want to practice/present a specific argument. It is one I am going to present to my religious family to try to get them to understand/accept that I am not religious (if I choose to not be religious, which is likely).

If, by chance, the Holy Bible is not the literal truth, then it would serve to reason that it would not benefit the mental health of every individual tasked with believing in it as literal truth. If, by chance, there is no God, then it would not be inherently beneficial for an individuals mental health to believe in one. On the contrary, if there is no God, then it could very well be detrimental to a specific individual’s mental health to believe in one.

My family believes Jesus is literally God. Therefore, in their minds, there is nothing but benefit when it comes to believing and nothing but negatives when it comes to disbelief. The part of my argument I don’t think they will accept is the idea that the have to entertain the possibility of being wrong when it comes to the Bible.

Is there any way I can beef up my argumentation or logic? Is there any shortcomings that you see in it?
Religion are collections of tools meant to help people live in accord with their theological presumptions. So as with any tool, they are only as good or bad as the use they are being put to. We can build a house with them or we can tear our neighbor's house down and kill his family.

The tools of religion are just tools. How we choose to use them falls on us. And so, then, does the judgment and responsibility. My suggestion would be to use this information to render yourself impervious to the religious abuse or manipulation of your family, and then forgive them for the sake of your own well being. It's a big ask, I know. But what better alternative is there? They aren't going to change, or just go away. So make yourself invincible and leave them to their own judgment.
 
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Heyo

Veteran Member
I want to practice/present a specific argument. It is one I am going to present to my religious family to try to get them to understand/accept that I am not religious (if I choose to not be religious, which is likely).

If, by chance, the Holy Bible is not the literal truth, then it would serve to reason that it would not benefit the mental health of every individual tasked with believing in it as literal truth. If, by chance, there is no God, then it would not be inherently beneficial for an individuals mental health to believe in one. On the contrary, if there is no God, then it could very well be detrimental to a specific individual’s mental health to believe in one.

My family believes Jesus is literally God. Therefore, in their minds, there is nothing but benefit when it comes to believing and nothing but negatives when it comes to disbelief. The part of my argument I don’t think they will accept is the idea that the have to entertain the possibility of being wrong when it comes to the Bible.

Is there any way I can beef up my argumentation or logic? Is there any shortcomings that you see in it?
Your logic is simple and straight forward. There is no way to know what they believe.

But the logic isn't the problem, it's their feelings.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
I want to practice/present a specific argument. It is one I am going to present to my religious family to try to get them to understand/accept that I am not religious (if I choose to not be religious, which is likely).

If, by chance, the Holy Bible is not the literal truth, then it would serve to reason that it would not benefit the mental health of every individual tasked with believing in it as literal truth. If, by chance, there is no God, then it would not be inherently beneficial for an individuals mental health to believe in one. On the contrary, if there is no God, then it could very well be detrimental to a specific individual’s mental health to believe in one.

My family believes Jesus is literally God. Therefore, in their minds, there is nothing but benefit when it comes to believing and nothing but negatives when it comes to disbelief. The part of my argument I don’t think they will accept is the idea that the have to entertain the possibility of being wrong when it comes to the Bible.

Is there any way I can beef up my argumentation or logic? Is there any shortcomings that you see in it?
" Don’t forget, God is love. "

Doesn't one's (above) signature line suggest that one is religious, please, right??

Regards
 
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osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
I want to practice/present a specific argument. It is one I am going to present to my religious family to try to get them to understand/accept that I am not religious (if I choose to not be religious, which is likely).

If, by chance, the Holy Bible is not the literal truth, then it would serve to reason that it would not benefit the mental health of every individual tasked with believing in it as literal truth. If, by chance, there is no God, then it would not be inherently beneficial for an individuals mental health to believe in one. On the contrary, if there is no God, then it could very well be detrimental to a specific individual’s mental health to believe in one.

My family believes Jesus is literally God. Therefore, in their minds, there is nothing but benefit when it comes to believing and nothing but negatives when it comes to disbelief. The part of my argument I don’t think they will accept is the idea that the have to entertain the possibility of being wrong when it comes to the Bible.

Is there any way I can beef up my argumentation or logic? Is there any shortcomings that you see in it?
I go through the same thing with my family. It's like living with aliens. With my family argumentation invites the inquisition.
 

Echogem222

Active Member
I want to practice/present a specific argument. It is one I am going to present to my religious family to try to get them to understand/accept that I am not religious (if I choose to not be religious, which is likely).

If, by chance, the Holy Bible is not the literal truth, then it would serve to reason that it would not benefit the mental health of every individual tasked with believing in it as literal truth. If, by chance, there is no God, then it would not be inherently beneficial for an individuals mental health to believe in one. On the contrary, if there is no God, then it could very well be detrimental to a specific individual’s mental health to believe in one.

My family believes Jesus is literally God. Therefore, in their minds, there is nothing but benefit when it comes to believing and nothing but negatives when it comes to disbelief. The part of my argument I don’t think they will accept is the idea that the have to entertain the possibility of being wrong when it comes to the Bible.

Is there any way I can beef up my argumentation or logic? Is there any shortcomings that you see in it?
You can't expect a logical argument will work on someone who doesn't rely on logic. For them to think that the bible is right without the possibility of it being wrong, is not logical at all. Logic allows people to understand truth, possibility, and what isn't true. It's like building a bridge that allows a person to know what is on the other side, without the bridge you can think what is on the other side is just about anything. The issue is, they don't even sound aware that you can build a "bridge" or that type of situation is how things are in general.

In other words, what you need to convince them of first is not that it's ok for you not to be religious, because they're not even standing on the same ground as you, you need to help them understand what logic is (why it's important), so you may then have a reasonable conversation with them (assuming that you're really committed to changing their mind, because if it where me I might just give up, feeling like I'm trying to dig a deep hole in dry sand).
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I want to practice/present a specific argument. It is one I am going to present to my religious family to try to get them to understand/accept that I am not religious (if I choose to not be religious, which is likely).

If, by chance, the Holy Bible is not the literal truth, then it would serve to reason that it would not benefit the mental health of every individual tasked with believing in it as literal truth. If, by chance, there is no God, then it would not be inherently beneficial for an individuals mental health to believe in one. On the contrary, if there is no God, then it could very well be detrimental to a specific individual’s mental health to believe in one.

My family believes Jesus is literally God. Therefore, in their minds, there is nothing but benefit when it comes to believing and nothing but negatives when it comes to disbelief. The part of my argument I don’t think they will accept is the idea that the have to entertain the possibility of being wrong when it comes to the Bible.

Is there any way I can beef up my argumentation or logic? Is there any shortcomings that you see in it?
You can say you have read Nietzsche and have been fully convinced about the resurrection less death of God. That would be interesting;)
 

idea

Question Everything
It's difficult for all of us, we're all geared up for holiday family time...

I find it is less confrontational to simply start praising other, different religious groups - no argument, no "this is what I believe", just praise other groups.

By praising other groups you show them they are not the best ;), show them other groups are better than them.
 
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