Religions/cults that suppress free speech

[1213]

...he's bragged that he knows more than all our generals. Do you believe that?

I think it is possible. However, I have no means to measure how much they really know. But, I think it would be good, if president would know more than his generals. I think there is something wrong, if the generals have more knowledge than president who is basically their boss. But, the traitorous general Mark Milley probably had something that Trump didn't probably know.

...Did you actually listen to his actual phone call to the Repubican SoS in Georgia on that?

I am not sure was it the same as what you have in mind, but I think I have listened it and I think it is heavily interpreted to appear worse than what it was. What I have heard was not in my opinion bad or wrong.

Oh, is that why he sold two nuclear subs to the Aussies? He did so to counter Chinese threats...

Really, did Biden say that somewhere?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Please tell by your own words one example of how Trump abused presidential powers and explain why do you think it was abusing. And also, please tell one example of his lie, by your own words and prove why it is a lie.

If you want to make such demands you need tell people how you are going to "pay" for them. What will you do if he fulfils your demand?

 

[blü 2]

Please tell by your own words one example of how Trump abused presidential powers and explain why do you think it was abusing. And also, please tell one example of his lie, by your own words and prove why it is a lie.

You aren't persuadable by facts, or you'd have worked all this out for yourself.

Have a nice day.

 

[metis]

I think it is possible.

And you actually believe Trump may know more than the generals about war matters? That says a lot-- not as much about Trump but about you.

But, the traitorous general Mark Milley probably had something that Trump didn't probably know.

So, Milley was being "traitorous" and Trump was not, and you really believe this, right? Milley, along with some others in Trump's administration, were really worried about what Trump might do, such as possibly starting a conflict to try and gather public support.

I am not sure was it the same as what you have in mind, but I think I have listened it and I think it is heavily interpreted to appear worse than what it was.

If you listened and payed attention, there cannot be one doubt whatsoever what Trump was up to because he more than once asked the SoS to "find votes" even if it meant he'd win by just one. Well, here's its essence in written form since I doubt very much you would listen to the actual recording that you could rather easily have accessed on YouTube"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump–Raffensperger_phone_call#:~:text=On January 2, 2021, during,from the 2020 presidential election.

Really, did Biden say that somewhere?

Yes.

The only thing you've show us is just how gullible and conned you have been willing to be, sorry to say.

Again, per your own claim to be a "Disciple of Christ", you cannot believe in Jesus and believe in Trump without having a terrible case of "cognitive dissonance".

 

[1213]

If you want to make such demands you need tell people how you are going to "pay" for them. What will you do if he fulfils your demand?

He don't have to do so. But, if he would want that I believe him, it would be useful to give the proof. Now I have no reason to believe his accusations.

 

[Subduction Zone]

He don't have to do so. But, if he would want that I believe him, it would be useful to give the proof. Now I have no reason to believe his accusations.

The problem is that when someone has demonstrated that they will not accept evidence there is no point in trying to help them. Do you think that might be the reason that he refuses to help you?

 

[1213]

The problem is that when someone has demonstrated that they will not accept evidence there is no point in trying to help them. Do you think that might be the reason that he refuses to help you?

Sorry, it is difficult for me to accept hearsay rumors as evidence, especially when other person accuses other person for evil deeds.

 

[metis]

He don't have to do so. But, if he would want that I believe him, it would be useful to give the proof. Now I have no reason to believe his accusations.

I have provided you with links, which you seemingly just ignore.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sorry, it is difficult for me to accept hearsay rumors as evidence, especially when other person accuses other person for evil deeds.

It is not hearsay. It is not that hard to do a little research yourself. Avoid biased sources.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have provided you with links, which you seemingly just ignore.

Unfortunately he has to. And he will not make any promises if someone does for him what he should have done for himself. That is a sign that one knows that one is wrong.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Do you know a religion or cult that suppresses free speech?

If cult leader would say to you, "we reduce ignorance by not allowing all to speak", would you think it is reasonable or not?

I think limiting free speech increases ignorance, because then people will know less. Do you agree with this, or is there some good reason to think the opposite?

There is one major cult.

Its called politics.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Do you know a religion or cult that suppresses free speech?

If cult leader would say to you, "we reduce ignorance by not allowing all to speak", would you think it is reasonable or not?

I think limiting free speech increases ignorance, because then people will know less. Do you agree with this, or is there some good reason to think the opposite?

I don't think that you fully understand free speech. What has happened is that certain independent agencies, not the government, have listened to reason and will not allow their sites to be sources of dishonesty that harms others. Tell me, if I tried to publish porn on a Christian website that was similar to Facebook or YouTube would I have a right to complain about "My free speech rights"?

 

[blü 2]

Please tell by your own words one example of how Trump abused presidential powers and explain why do you think it was abusing. And also, please tell one example of his lie, by your own words and prove why it is a lie.

And I dare say you've seen >this one< yourself, now that you've started your methodical study of Trump's self-serving lies.

 

[firedragon]

I think it is possible. However, I have no means to measure how much they really know. But, I think it would be good, if president would know more than his generals. I think there is something wrong, if the generals have more knowledge than president who is basically their boss. But, the traitorous general Mark Milley probably had something that Trump didn't probably know.

Dont you think that a leaders role is to gather expertise and be an expert on gathering expertise that is poised to improve his country's citizens betterment?

 

[1213]

I don't think that you fully understand free speech. What has happened is that certain independent agencies, not the government, have listened to reason and will not allow their sites to be sources of dishonesty that harms others. ...

I think the problem is that the government demands them to censor information that the government doesn’t like.

When Government Demands Social Media Censorship, Americans of All Political Beliefs Lose

I think it is dangerous when government does that. Also, I don't think those companies are really good for telling what is true and what is not. It seems to me that for them the truth is what benefits them and it has nothing to with real truth. And when they do so, they should also have the responsibility, if they are wrong and cause harm with their censoring. For example if millions of people have died, because they didn't allow people to know about possible cure, they should be held fully accountable for every murder they committed by not letting people to know the truth.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think the problem is that the government demands them to censor information that the government doesn’t like.

When Government Demands Social Media Censorship, Americans of All Political Beliefs Lose

I think it is dangerous when government does that. Also, I don't think those companies are really good for telling what is true and what is not. It seems to me that for them the truth is what benefits them and it has nothing to with real truth. And when they do so, they should also have the responsibility, if they are wrong and cause harm with their censoring. For example if millions of people have died, because they didn't allow people to know about possible cure, they should be held fully accountable for every murder they committed by not letting people to know the truth.

Try to find a reliable source. Where is the supposed government censorship? That is the claim, you need evidence to back it up.

But it is nice to see that you are all for porn on YouTube. Do you have a channel? I am looking for a version of Snow White and the Seven Dwarves, if you know what I mean.

 

[blü 2]

Firstly, I don’t think CNN can be trusted in anything. But, if we look for example the first claim, it is about Trump telling: “You know, I looked at the rain, which just never came. You know, we finished the speech, went inside, it poured.”

I didn’t see any proof that for that to be a lie, unless one thinks Trump claimed that there was no rain in Washington at that day. What Trump said, can be true, if there was no rain in the place he was at that moment. No proof was offered for rain at that moment, in that place where Trump was having the speech. If there was rain, can you show a video where Trump is having the speech in rain? If not, I don’t think that was a lie and it really further ruins the credibility of the Communist News Network.

This one isn't a lie ─ though there may have been lies involved. It's Donald's >corrupt attempt to appoint an entirely unqualified member of his family to a paid position<.

How's your research into his lies going?

 

[1213]

Try to find a reliable source. Where is the supposed government censorship? That is the claim, you need evidence to back it up.

Are these good enough?

"White House press secretary Jen Psaki said Thursday the Biden administration is identifying “problematic” posts for Facebook to censor because they contain “misinformation” about COVID-19."
https://nypost.com/2021/07/15/white...ook-to-censor-due-to-covid-19-misinformation/

But it is nice to see that you are all for porn on YouTube. ....

Why do you think so?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Are these good enough?

"White House press secretary Jen Psaki said Thursday the Biden administration is identifying “problematic” posts for Facebook to censor because they contain “misinformation” about COVID-19."
https://nypost.com/2021/07/15/white...ook-to-censor-due-to-covid-19-misinformation/

There was nothing about government censorship in that video. As to porn on YouTube you are not being consistent. If you are going to be against censorship by companies of material that is harmful to others how can you be opposed to material that causes very little harm to others?

It would also help if you understood what government censorship is.



Why do you think so?

 

[1213]

There was nothing about government censorship in that video.

Interesting that you don't see any problem in that.

As to porn on YouTube you are not being consistent. If you are going to be against censorship by companies of material that is harmful to others how can you be opposed to material that causes very little harm to others?

I think it is sad, if publisher, for example in the case of a disease, gives only the view that the drug company accepts and hides all opposite views for the benefit of the drug company. But I accept that publisher can decide what it publishes, even if it would cause the death of millions of people. In free society publisher should have that right. However, I think it would be good, if the publisher allows opposite views also so that people can look who has the best arguments and then the people can decide what they think is the best choice.

And in the case of porn. I think, if YouTube would want to publish it, I am not denying it to do so. I only think it would not be a good thing. And I think it can be very harmful for people, even more harmful than for example the Covid.