Religions/cults that suppress free speech

[Subduction Zone]

Interesting that you don't see any problem in that.

Urk!? Earlier you were complaining about government censorship. Now that there was not any examples of that in your video you are not happy? This does not make any sense.

I think it is sad, if publisher, for example in the case of a disease, gives only the view that the drug company accepts and hides all opposite views for the benefit of the drug company. But I accept that publisher can decide what it publishes, even if it would cause the death of millions of people. In free society publisher should have that right. However, I think it would be good, if the publisher allows opposite views also so that people can look who has the best arguments and then the people can decide what they think is the best choice.

And in the case of porn. I think, if YouTube would want to publish it, I am not denying it to do so. I only think it would not be a good thing. And I think it can be very harmful for people, even more harmful than for example the Covid.

But that is a strawman of what is happening. No one is censoring legitimate research. I do wish that you would get your story straight. Or at least try to understand what people are opposing.

And you screwed up with YouTube and porn. YouTube chooses not to allow porn. If you were consistent you would oppose that too. You do not oppose that. You are inconsistent in your reasoning. YouTube chooses not to publish porn because it can offend some people. That is their right. YouTube chooses not to publish certain videos because they have been shown to harm people. That is not only their right, it is also the right thing to do.

The porn argument destroys you.

 

[1213]

...Earlier you were complaining about government censorship. Now that there was not any examples of that in your video you are not happy?

I think it shows government is pushing companies like Facebook to censor.

But that is a strawman of what is happening. No one is censoring legitimate research...

Yes, if "legitimate rechears" means all that is accepted by Biden regime and the vaccine companies.

And you screwed up with YouTube and porn. YouTube chooses not to allow porn. If you were consistent you would oppose that too. ...

I think the freedom of speech means that "the people shall not be deprived or abridged of their right to speak, to write, or to publish their sentiments; and the freedom of the press, as one of the great bulwarks of liberty, shall be inviolable". I don't see porn to be about that. Also, it is not crucial information, like for example would be information about possible cure for a disease. Because of these, I don't have reason to demand YT to publish porn.

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The porn argument destroys you.

Ok, now that I am destroyed, maybe we could focus on more important matters? So, is your opinion that freedom of speech is not good, people should not have it? You would not have problem, if I would be the ruler and tell that you are not allowed to speak, because I think you are speaking misinformation?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think it shows government is pushing companies like Facebook to censor.

Call it what you want. They are asking Facebook and others, not ordering them, to do the right thing. That is to remove harmful materials. Do you think that they should have videos telling people how to use a shotgun to blow their heads off and those of people around them? It may sound a bit extreme but in reality it is not.

Yes, if "legitimate rechears" means all that is accepted by Biden regime and the vaccine companies.

Now you are being silly. Legitimate research is done by real experts in the filed properly applying the scientific method. It does not have to agree with Biden and company. Show me some legitimate research that has been banned. I do not think that you will be able to do that.

I think the freedom of speech means that "the people shall not be deprived or abridged of their right to speak, to write, or to publish their sentiments; and the freedom of the press, as one of the great bulwarks of liberty, shall be inviolable". I don't see porn to be about that. Also, it is not crucial information, like for example would be information about possible cure for a disease. Because of these, I don't have reason to demand YT to publish porn.[/qote]

So we agree. That is not happening.

Unfortunately you are terribly wrong about porn. Just because you may not like it does not mean that it too is part of free speech. You cannot support banning porn while supporting forcing Facebook and YouTube to publish videos etc. that we know are harmful. Your standards are not consistent.

Ok, now that I am destroyed, maybe we could focus on more important matters? So, is your opinion that freedom of speech is not good, people should not have it? You would not have problem, if I would be the ruler and tell that you are not allowed to speak, because I think you are speaking misinformation?[/QUOTE]


Yes, you are . You did get one thing right. And I support freedom of speech. You simply do not understand it. By your own definition no one is depriving anyone of those rights. They can pay to have their nonsense published or distributed. No one is stopping them from doing that.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I think it shows government is pushing companies like Facebook to censor.

Freedom of speech is not an absolute. You can't yell fire in a crowded theater. Why? because that would cause incredible harm. Facebook needs to be censored because it refuses to censor itself, and is deliberately posting items that cause division, misinformation, emotional and bodily harm, etc. The polarization that Facebook feeds threatens to tear down the basic structure of our democracy -- Good Lord, everyone agrees that the dissolution of our democracy would be a harm of gargantuan perportions.

 

[1213]

Freedom of speech is not an absolute. You can't yell fire in a crowded theater. Why? because that would cause incredible harm. Facebook needs to be censored because it refuses to censor itself, and is deliberately posting items that cause division, misinformation, emotional and bodily harm, etc. The polarization that Facebook feeds threatens to tear down the basic structure of our democracy -- Good Lord, everyone agrees that the dissolution of our democracy would be a harm of gargantuan perportions.

By what I have understood, Facebook doesn’t post anything, it only offers platform for others to publish things. It could be compared to a public square, where people, in civilized society, are free to speak.

And by what I have seen, it is the tyrannical fascists, who are destroying the constitution. They are the ones who tear down the structure of democracy. Without freedom of speech, there is no democracy.

I think people should be allowed to speak. And all listeners should understand that not all speech is true.

 

[1213]

Call it what you want. They are asking Facebook and others, not ordering them, to do the right thing. That is to remove harmful materials. Do you think that they should have videos telling people how to use a shotgun to blow their heads off and those of people around them?...

I don't think that is a useful video. However, I don't think it is necessary to remove, especially when there are lot of movies and TV-programs that have even worse teachings.

...Legitimate research is done by real experts in the filed properly applying the scientific method. It does not have to agree with Biden and company. Show me some legitimate research that has been banned. I do not think that you will be able to do that.

Yes, and "legitimate research" is what Biden regime and vaccine dealers tell it is. All that would be harmful for their agenda, would be removed also from here. If I would show something like that, it would be removed as "harmful information" and I could be banned from here for doing that.

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And I support freedom of speech. ....

Good, if so, doesn't look like that to me.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't think that is a useful video. However, I don't think it is necessary to remove, especially when there are lot of movies and TV-programs that have even worse teachings.

Only in your opinion but not apparently supported by evidence.

Yes, and "legitimate research" is what Biden regime and vaccine dealers tell it is. All that would be harmful for their agenda, would be removed also from here. If I would show something like that, it would be removed as "harmful information" and I could be banned from here for doing that.

No, it is not. You need to drop the conspiracy theory nonsense. Don't let your hatred of another cloud your judgement.

Good, if so, doesn't look like that to me.

That is because you still do not understand Free Speech. Social media is a group of independently owned companies. YouTube's or Facebook's refusal to allow harmful videos is no different from them deciding not to allow porn. Their house, their rules. If a person has such beliefs no one is stopping them from finding a source that will post those videos for free. But there is a reason that those sites are not very popular. There are not that many people out there that are totally against science and reality. There are too many of them, and sometimes they can get together and cause a problem. But they usually have to leach off of other people to get their message across.

 

[Dropship]

Do you know a religion or cult that suppresses free speech?..

Yes, virtually ALL of 'em!
I'm non-denominational because I prefer to think for myself..

 

[IndigoChild5559]

By what I have understood, Facebook doesn’t post anything, it only offers platform for others to publish things. It could be compared to a public square, where people, in civilized society, are free to speak.

And by what I have seen, it is the tyrannical fascists, who are destroying the constitution. They are the ones who tear down the structure of democracy. Without freedom of speech, there is no democracy.

I think people should be allowed to speak. And all listeners should understand that not all speech is true.

Facebook does news feeds. Let's say I'm scrolling on my facebook page. As I go down, occasional items from other sites will show up on my page. I will come across newsfeeds. At the beginning these newsfeeds will be pretty basic, even with a bias. But as I scroll further and further down, they become more agitated, more emotional, more extreme. This happens because facebook knows that those sorts of feeds will keep you hooked in facebook longer. And the longer you are on your facebook page, the more ads you are likely to reply to -- which means that facebooks profits go up.

 

[metis]

And by what I have seen, it is the tyrannical fascists, who are destroying the constitution. They are the ones who tear down the structure of democracy.

Yep, just like Donald J. Trump.