Religious Laws

[Sundance]

Y’know, if I could say one last thing, dealing with @Tumah, debating this topic and related topics....these help me. The more I think about these things, the more I'm beginning to see why so many people are quick to criticize Abrahamic religions. Why there are people who even despise these religions (at least, the three major ones).

To be fair, though, I never understood people who even threw Judaism into the fire. I used to believe that Judaism was a tolerant religion. To me, even though didn't say ‘all religions are legitimate’, at least Judaism didn't think less of you for having your religion, right? Jews didn't condemn people for following their religions. To me, it said,

‘If you're Jewish, then Judaism is your religion. If you're not....enh, you're fine. Follow your religion, but just be a righteous person. You don't have to convert to Judaism.’

They just left you alone. No problem.


Now, @Tumah has helped me understand that according to Orthodox Judaism, any non-Jewish religion is illegitimate. I accept this as his understanding. No issue. I wish him well. God bless him. He has also helped me finally see the irreconcilability between The Noahide Laws and The Bahá’í Faith, so thank you, brother. This, methinks, is a reflection of the difference between Judaism via The Laws and The Bahá’í Faith.
The very existence of a seperate set of laws for non-members of the religion, I think, points to an odd kind of situation for me.

You discourage me from converting to your religion, but then you say ‘you can't have your own’, just follow the Laws (which are, as @Tumah describes, ‘Judaism for non-Jews’).’

In my religion, we don't have this concept of a separate set of laws of non-Bahá’ís. Actually, I don't know of any other which does. We say, ‘we'd like you to turn on to Bahá’u’lláh, to declare faith in Him, but even if you decide not to, you're still OK. There's no pressure. It doesn't matter what religion you choose. If you're a Christian, be so. A Muslim? Be so. A Hindu, a Buddhist, be so. A Pagan. Be so. Even an Atheist, or Agnostic. Be so. A Jew? Be so.’

In light of this realization, I'm finished here. Tumah, you can keep your religion. You can keep your Laws, too. Both the 613 mitzvot AND the Noahide Laws. I desire no part in either one, because I have my own religion.

 

[GoodbyeDave]

You really don't understand this concept.
Judaism....
Christianity....
Islam...
The Bahá’í Faith....
Figure it out.

So, what comes next? The phenomenologist Brede Christensen wrote that many people have claimed that their religion replaces another, but he didn't know any who though theirs was destined to be replaced: "No believer considers his own faith to be somewhat primitive." But if Baha'i considers that the earlier Abrahamic faiths have actually got things wrong, does that mean that the Baha'i may have done the same?

 

[Kirran]

Y’know, if I could say one last thing, dealing with @Tumah, debating this topic and related topics....these help me. The more I think about these things, the more I'm beginning to see why so many people are quick to criticize Abrahamic religions. Why there are people who even despise these religions (at least, the three major ones).

To be fair, though, I never understood people who even threw Judaism into the fire. I used to believe that Judaism was a tolerant religion. To me, even though didn't say ‘all religions are legitimate’, at least Judaism didn't think less of you for having your religion, right? Jews didn't condemn people for following their religions. To me, it said,

‘If you're Jewish, then Judaism is your religion. If you're not....enh, you're fine. Follow your religion, but just be a righteous person. You don't have to convert to Judaism.’

They just left you alone. No problem.


Now, @Tumah has helped me understand that according to Orthodox Judaism, any non-Jewish religion is illegitimate. I accept this as his understanding. No issue. I wish him well. God bless him. He has also helped me finally see the irreconcilability between The Noahide Laws and The Bahá’í Faith, so thank you, brother. This, methinks, is a reflection of the difference between Judaism via The Laws and The Bahá’í Faith.
The very existence of a seperate set of laws for non-members of the religion, I think, points to a crooked kind of situation.

You discourage me from converting to your religion, but then you say ‘you can't have your own’, just follow the Laws (which are, as @Tumah describes, ‘Judaism for non-Jews’).’

In my religion, we don't have this concept of a separate set of laws of non-Bahá’ís. Actually, I don't know of any other which does. We say, ‘we'd like you to turn on to Bahá’u’lláh, to declare faith in Him, but even if you decide not to, you're still OK. There's no pressure. It doesn't matter what religion you choose. If you're a Christian, be so. A Muslim? Be so. A Hindu, a Buddhist, be so. A Pagan. Be so. Even an Atheist, or Agnostic. Be so. A Jew? Be so.’

In light of this realization, I'm finished here. Tumah, you can keep your religion. You can keep your Laws, too. Both the 613 mitzvot AND the Noahide Laws. I desire no part in either one, because I have my own religion.

Actually I think this post may well have summed up everything everybody was trying to say. We should frame it - this was hard-won by all.

 

[oldbadger]

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In light of this realization, I'm finished here. Tumah, you can keep your religion. You can keep your Laws, too. Both the 613 mitzvot AND the Noahide Laws. I desire no part in either one, because I have my own religion.

The OT laws which I posted were simply, beautiful! The humanity expressed in them was perfect. And then you write what you did, above.

And 'No', in a Baha'i World all those other religions would not be equal, for they would have no seats upon any local, national or world Courts.
Not good.

 

[oldbadger]

To continue, because this debate is not completed yet.

We have seen some beautiful and most humane laws from the Old Testament, as already shown, and these have received no praise or acceptance from the OP that I have noticed.

Yet the next OT Law is repeated (or supported) by Bahais and Bahai authorities:-
A male not to commit sodomy with a male (Lev. 18:22)

I would like to include one more O.T. law for your scrutiny:-
Not to eat shellfish (Lev. 11:9-12)

Bahais make much of the first, yet probably have no interest in the second, but both laws were written to protect the Tribes from serious disease and infection which could literally wipe it out. If you have any doubts about the shellfish law, read up on 'shellfish poison paralysis', one of the dealiest poisons known. The same applies to types of polyamory which is banned in the OT........ infection and disease could be spread widely in a short time if any of these laws were broken. All of the OT laws were written to strengthen and protect the people of the tribes!

Each of the above was EQUALLY important. But not now. If we are no longer frightened about the risks of one, then we need not be frightened of any possible risks with the other.

And we are no longer a tiny tribe, fighting for survival every minute of each day. Today we fly, ski, kite-board, skate-board, bungee-jump and take risking as part of our lives. We climb down stairs, use escalators, live in earthquake areas, drive fast-cars.
The new motto for life amongst our youth is this:-
LIVING IS RISKING!

The young will not put up with ancient safety laws now turned into prudish bigotry.
Yes........ It is over.

 

[Neo Deist]

To continue, because this debate is not completed yet.

We have seen some beautiful and most humane laws from the Old Testament, as already shown, and these have received no praise or acceptance from the OP that I have noticed.

Yet the next OT Law is repeated (or supported) by Bahais and Bahai authorities:-
A male not to commit sodomy with a male (Lev. 18:22)

I would like to include one more O.T. law for your scrutiny:-
Not to eat shellfish (Lev. 11:9-12)

Bahais make much of the first, yet probably have no interest in the second, but both laws were written to protect the Tribes from serious disease and infection which could literally wipe it out. If you have any doubts about the shellfish law, read up on 'shellfish poison paralysis', one of the dealiest poisons known. The same applies to types of polyamory which is banned in the OT........ infection and disease could be spread widely in a short time if any of these laws were broken. All of the OT laws were written to strengthen and protect the people of the tribes!

Each of the above was EQUALLY important. But not now. If we are no longer frightened about the risks of one, then we need not be frightened of any possible risks with the other.

And we are no longer a tiny tribe, fighting for survival every minute of each day. Today we fly, ski, kite-board, skate-board, bungee-jump and take risking as part of our lives. We climb down stairs, use escalators, live in earthquake areas, drive fast-cars.
The new motto for life amongst our youth is this:-
LIVING IS RISKING!

The young will not put up with ancient safety laws now turned into prudish bigotry.
Yes........ It is over.

This.

OT laws were not "God's word" per se, but rather the culminated knowledge of centuries, if not millennia, of trial and error on the part of humans. The early writers (Moses or otherwise) just wrapped it in the whole God theme in order to make it the status quo, and accepted by the masses. They were safety measures, just like speed limits and stop signs used today.

 

[Sundance]

Tumah, you can keep your religion. You can keep your Laws, too. Both the 613 mitzvot AND the Noahide Laws. I desire no part in either one, because I have my own religion.

Due to my, now, calm state, and as a result of much reflection, I would like to amend my earlier statements. Though, firstly, I feel I must apologize to you, @Tumah. I acknowledge that in my posts, I have ‘thumbed my nose’ at the Noahide Laws, which is very disrespectful towards your beliefs, your religion. Such contempt as I –have shown – is absolutely antithetical to what my being a Bahá’í is about: respect for the beliefs of others, and the affirmation of the inestimable value therein, in both word and deed. I humbly ask you for your forgiveness in this matter, and I ask also how I can further make amends for what I've done.

Secondly, you were right about the Noahide Laws: they are applicable to all humankind. However, what must be equally affirmed is the reality that other faiths do exist. According to you, non-Jewish religions shouldn't, since we have the Laws of Noah. I understand this clearly. However, I also understand that other religions have very similar, if not exactly the same, laws. Though, it is regrettable to me that I have been forcing my understandings of these things onto you. It is unbecoming of me.

Thirdly, I acknowledge that the Laws are Jewish in origin. This has allowed me to recognize that to attempt to sever the Noahide Laws from its proper context, namely The Torah and Judaism, and think to reapply them to that of any other Religion is wrong. Plain and simple. Such would create unnecessary conflict. For this reason, although I recognize the Divine Inspiration of The Torah and of the Jewish Religion, I cannot accept as binding upon myself the Noahide Laws. I am a non-Jew by birth and religion. For this, I am destined. Nothing else. No more, no less. For me to accept Laws originating from within the context of a Religion to which I do not adhere would constitute nothing short of hypocrisy. I utterly refuse to engage in this, for such would sacrifice my integrity, my truthfulness. I would be lying, essentially.


All in all, you were right, and I was wrong. Again, I humbly apologize.

 

[arthra]

And 'No', in a Baha'i World all those other religions would not be equal, for they would have no seats upon any local, national or world Courts.
Not good

In the world today Baha'is freely associate with the members of all religions and can work cooperatively with them.. As before we have representation in the Parliament of World Religions

https://parliamentofreligions.org/search/node/Baha'i

and the Baha'i International Community has a NGO status with the UN.

https://www.bic.org/

 

[oldbadger]

This.

OT laws were not "God's word" per se, but rather the culminated knowledge of centuries, if not millennia, of trial and error on the part of humans. The early writers (Moses or otherwise) just wrapped it in the whole God theme in order to make it the status quo, and accepted by the masses. They were safety measures, just like speed limits and stop signs used today.

This^^^
Well...... Yes.
As a Deist I do see it this way as well.
But if any Theists insist that God inspired Moses and all to produce these amazingly useful laws, then.... ok.

 

[oldbadger]

In the world today Baha'is freely associate with the members of all religions and can work cooperatively with them.. As before we have representation in the Parliament of World Religions

https://parliamentofreligions.org/search/node/Baha'i

and the Baha'i International Community has a NGO status with the UN.

https://www.bic.org/

Yes....... today!
One method of 'discovery' in connection with faiths and religions is to 'virtually' take them to their main-objective and then 'look' at what they are in their fully developed stage. One way is to imagine a world where, say, 75-90% of the population belong to that religion.
Some (a few) blossom into the most beautiful worlds for any person to live, others turn into the nightmares that people like George Orwell and others have described. '1984' and 'animal farm' could be mild worlds by comparison with some religions.

One senior member of a world wide faith (not Bahai) once told me that in 'their world' the severe OT laws would be fully implemented. I asked if he meant that a woman would be stoned for polygamy of any kind. He answered. 'Oh no! We wouldn't do that! We would probably use injections!' Would you want that religion to gain an 80% majority of the world's population?

Now, one member, by showing in this thread a clear disregard for those beautiful humanitarian OT laws, and declaring that they are not important, whilst steadfastly insisting upon the harsh ones which deny emancipation to so many minorities, readers might begin to have a clearer picture of what a 90% Bahai World might look like.

Just saying........

 

[Sundance]

Yes....... today!
One method of 'discovery' in connection with faiths and religions is to 'virtually' take them to their main-objective and then 'look' at what they are in their fully developed stage. One way is to imagine a world where, say, 75-90% of the population belong to that religion.
Some (a few) blossom into the most beautiful worlds for any person to live, others turn into the nightmares that people like George Orwell and others have described. '1984' and 'animal farm' could be mild worlds by comparison with some religions.

One senior member of a world wide faith (not Bahai) once told me that in 'their world' the severe OT laws would be fully implemented. I asked if he meant that a woman would be stoned for polygamy of any kind. He answered. 'Oh no! We wouldn't do that! We would probably use injections!' Would you want that religion to gain an 80% majority of the world's population?

Now, one member, by showing in this thread a clear disregard for those beautiful humanitarian OT laws, and declaring that they are not important, whilst steadfastly insisting upon the harsh ones which deny emancipation to so many minorities, readers might begin to have a clearer picture of what a 90% Bahai World might look like.

Just saying........

Actually, ob, I never insisted for a minute that anyone should or must follow any harsh laws, or even any laws part of a religion to which they do not adhere. Now, general laws, universal laws (don't lie, don't steal, don't kill, be kind, be merciful, be fair in your dealings with others) those are the ones to which all members of the human family must adhere. Of course, and again, those laws (of which, the Noahide Laws are but one set, and a very beautiful set) have their existence in virtually ALL religions, not just Judaism. Shoot, even NON-religious individuals follow these same laws!

 

[Tumah]

Due to my, now, calm state, and as a result of much reflection, I would like to amend my earlier statements. Though, firstly, I feel I must apologize to you, @Tumah. I acknowledge that in my posts, I have ‘thumbed my nose’ at the Noahide Laws, which is very disrespectful towards your beliefs, your religion. Such contempt as I –have shown – is absolutely antithetical to what my being a Bahá’í is about: respect for the beliefs of others, and the affirmation of the inestimable value therein, in both word and deed. I humbly ask you for your forgiveness in this matter, and I ask also how I can further make amends for what I've done.

Secondly, you were right about the Noahide Laws: they are applicable to all humankind. However, what must be equally affirmed is the reality that other faiths do exist. According to you, non-Jewish religions shouldn't, since we have the Laws of Noah. I understand this clearly. However, I also understand that other religions have very similar, if not exactly the same, laws. Though, it is regrettable to me that I have been forcing my understandings of these things onto you. It is unbecoming of me.

I appreciate that.

Thirdly, I acknowledge that the Laws are Jewish in origin. This has allowed me to recognize that to attempt to sever the Noahide Laws from its proper context, namely The Torah and Judaism, and think to reapply them to that of any other Religion is wrong. Plain and simple. Such would create unnecessary conflict. For this reason, although I recognize the Divine Inspiration of The Torah and of the Jewish Religion, I cannot accept as binding upon myself the Noahide Laws. I am a non-Jew by birth and religion. For this, I am destined. Nothing else. No more, no less. For me to accept Laws originating from within the context of a Religion to which I do not adhere would constitute nothing short of hypocrisy. I utterly refuse to engage in this, for such would sacrifice my integrity, my truthfulness. I would be lying, essentially.

In my opinion, the hypocrisy that you see results from superimposure of your understanding of religion onto Judaism. Barring that there is not hypocrisy.

 

[Tumah]

Y’know, if I could say one last thing, dealing with @Tumah, debating this topic and related topics....these help me. The more I think about these things, the more I'm beginning to see why so many people are quick to criticize Abrahamic religions. Why there are people who even despise these religions (at least, the three major ones).

To be fair, though, I never understood people who even threw Judaism into the fire. I used to believe that Judaism was a tolerant religion. To me, even though didn't say ‘all religions are legitimate’, at least Judaism didn't think less of you for having your religion, right? Jews didn't condemn people for following their religions. To me, it said,

‘If you're Jewish, then Judaism is your religion. If you're not....enh, you're fine. Follow your religion, but just be a righteous person. You don't have to convert to Judaism.’

They just left you alone. No problem.


Now, @Tumah has helped me understand that according to Orthodox Judaism, any non-Jewish religion is illegitimate. I accept this as his understanding. No issue. I wish him well. God bless him. He has also helped me finally see the irreconcilability between The Noahide Laws and The Bahá’í Faith, so thank you, brother. This, methinks, is a reflection of the difference between Judaism via The Laws and The Bahá’í Faith.
The very existence of a seperate set of laws for non-members of the religion, I think, points to an odd kind of situation for me.

You discourage me from converting to your religion, but then you say ‘you can't have your own’, just follow the Laws (which are, as @Tumah describes, ‘Judaism for non-Jews’).’

In my religion, we don't have this concept of a separate set of laws of non-Bahá’ís. Actually, I don't know of any other which does. We say, ‘we'd like you to turn on to Bahá’u’lláh, to declare faith in Him, but even if you decide not to, you're still OK. There's no pressure. It doesn't matter what religion you choose. If you're a Christian, be so. A Muslim? Be so. A Hindu, a Buddhist, be so. A Pagan. Be so. Even an Atheist, or Agnostic. Be so. A Jew? Be so.’

In light of this realization, I'm finished here. Tumah, you can keep your religion. You can keep your Laws, too. Both the 613 mitzvot AND the Noahide Laws. I desire no part in either one, because I have my own religion.

I have not been trying to encourage you to convert to Judaism or to follow the Noahide Laws. If you ask me, that's between you and G-d, and you'll have to take it up with him. The Noahide Laws and the Talmud which expounds on them, existed long before Baha'i did, so your perception of Judaism was faulty to begin with. We don't proselytize or pioneer like the rest of you do, because we have bigger fish to fry. But that doesn't mean that the G-d of the universe didn't provide a template for you to live your lives just as He did us. It just means that for those of you who care to know, you'll have to make the effort to come and find it out.

Your concept of the Noahide Laws is backwards. Its us that received the separate Laws. The Noahide Laws pre-exist Judaism. Everyone in the world was required to follow them. Its only later, that a segment of the population was sliced off and required to follow additional Laws. But the world at large carries on and the original requirement of them by G-d was never removed.

I don't see your view of acceptance (not tolerance) of all as being positive in any way. There is a G-d. He wants specific things from people. Not acknowledging that doesn't make you a better person or religion. All you're really gaining is that the people who anyways wouldn't follow you, will be more inclined to like you. Which has nothing to do with G-d, ultimately.

Your perception of Judaism is flawed from the bottom up. Judaism is not 613 commandments. Its belief in the G-d that gave the Jews the Torah at Mt. Sinai.
How that finds expression in different people varies. For Priests, it means they have to follow all the Priestly Laws. For Levites, it means they have to follow all the Levite Laws. For Israelites it means they have to follow all the Israelite Laws. For the Nazirite, the Nazirite Laws. For the man, mens' Laws. For the women, women's Laws. For the Jewish slave, Jewish slave Laws. For non-Jewish slaves, non-Jewish slave Laws. For non-Jews, Noahide Laws. For the parents, parental Laws. For the farmer, agricultural Laws. Everybody has laws that apply to his individual circumstances that may or may not apply to many other people at various times in their lives.
Everybody is different and the Laws are different for everybody, reflective of their circumstance and duty here.

I am not here to convince you to follow our religion. Judaism or Noahide. Don't ever think I am. My intent was only to fix your mistake and misconception by providing information. In my belief, its only after the Messiah comes that you and the overwhelming majority of non-Jew will return to the Noahide Laws, so I don't feel a need to pioneer to you. Do your thing.

 

[Tumah]

And again, this is your understanding, as an Orthodox Jew. Orthodox Judaism is not representative of all Judaism. Nowhere near so. Other Jews have and have had other opinions on the topic. Do YOU understand THIS, Tumah?

Sure. But since Orthodox Judaism pre-existed Baha'i by millennia, you either have to say that Baha'i is replacing Orthodox Judaism or is not.

 

[Sundance]

I appreciate that.

Thank you.

In my opinion, the hypocrisy that you see results from superimposure of your understanding of religion onto Judaism. Barring that there is not hypocrisy.

I understand. I made reference to this. That to do this unacceptable.

 

[Sundance]

Sure. But since Orthodox Judaism pre-existed Baha'i by millennia, you either have to say that Baha'i is replacing Orthodox Judaism or is not.

You must specify. Are you talking about the laws?

 

[Sundance]

I have not been trying to encourage you to convert to Judaism or to follow the Noahide Laws. If you ask me, that's between you and G-d, and you'll have to take it up with him. The Noahide Laws and the Talmud which expounds on them, existed long before Baha'i did, so your perception of Judaism was faulty to begin with. We don't proselytize or pioneer like the rest of you do, because we have bigger fish to fry. But that doesn't mean that the G-d of the universe didn't provide a template for you to live your lives just as He did us. It just means that for those of you who care to know, you'll have to make the effort to come and find it out.

If my perceptions of Judaism or The Noahide Laws are flawed, then I humbly apologize. I will admit that I'm not educated at all on Judaism. So, I ask for patience in this, @Tumah.

Your concept of the Noahide Laws is backwards. Its us that received the separate Laws. The Noahide Laws pre-exist Judaism. Everyone in the world was required to follow them. Its only later, that a segment of the population was sliced off and required to follow additional Laws. But the world at large carries on and the original requirement of them by G-d was never removed.

I understand. Although, HaShem (out of my respect for you, I will use this to refer to G-d when speaking to you from now on.) gave us the Laws in the days before any religion, you and I don't live in those days. There are other religions in this world.

I don't see your view of acceptance (not tolerance) of all as being positive in any way. There is a G-d. He wants specific things from people. Not acknowledging that doesn't make you a better person or religion. All you're really gaining is that the people who anyways wouldn't follow you, will be more inclined to like you. Which has nothing to do with G-d, ultimately.

I apologize to you, Tumah. This was my pride speaking.

Your perception of Judaism is flawed from the bottom up. Judaism is not 613 commandments. Its belief in the G-d that gave the Jews the Torah at Mt. Sinai.
How that finds expression in different people varies. For Priests, it means they have to follow all the Priestly Laws. For Levites, it means they have to follow all the Levite Laws. For Israelites it means they have to follow all the Israelite Laws. For the Nazirite, the Nazirite Laws. For the man, mens' Laws. For the women, women's Laws. For the Jewish slave, Jewish slave Laws. For non-Jewish slaves, non-Jewish slave Laws. For non-Jews, Noahide Laws. For the parents, parental Laws. For the farmer, agricultural Laws. Everybody has laws that apply to his individual circumstances that may or may not apply to many other people at various times in their lives.
Everybody is different and the Laws are different for everybody, reflective of their circumstance and duty here.

Thank you for clarifying. I will be cautious to remember this.

I am not here to convince you to follow our religion. Judaism or Noahide. Don't ever think I am. My intent was only to fix your mistake and misconception by providing information. In my belief, its only after the Messiah comes that you and the overwhelming majority of non-Jew will return to the Noahide Laws, so I don't feel a need to pioneer to you. Do your thing.

I understand, Tumah, and I appreciate that. Again, I apologize for my quickness to condemn you, the Jewish Religion, or the Noahide Laws, purely out of my own pride and deliberate ignorance.

In all honesty, I feel that The Noahide Laws do serve as a beautiful testament to the mercy and righteousness of G-d, and that all people would do well to look to them as a standard for G-dly living. Though, I personally feel that other Abrahamic religions (because of the fundamental acceptance of the Divine Inspiration of The Torah) can play a important role in further establishing these Laws in the world, although these faiths are considered illegitimate from an Orthodox Jewish standpoint.

Maimonides had once said in the Mishneh Torah,

"All those words of Jesus of Nazareth and of this Ishmaelite [i.e., Muhammad] who arose after him are only to make straight the path for the messianic king and to prepare the whole world to serve the Lord together. As it is said: 'For then I will change the speech of the peoples to a pure speech so that all of them shall call on the name of the Lord and serve him with one accord' (Zephaniah 3:9)."

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I contend that if you're not a member of the religion, then that religion's laws do not apply to you.

That's pretty much how I feel. If I don't believe, I shouldn't be expected to adhere. Unfortunately, many where I live do not agree, and feel everyone should be subservient to their religious whims.

On the one hand, I am not positive on what it actually means for a religious law to apply to anyone.

There are many ways, all of them crap. For example, many states in America used to have laws that forbid, sodomy, oral sex, unmarried couples living together, and other sexual regulations based on religious law. Many places also enacted anti-gambling laws over religious reasons. Due to religious reasons, in the state of Indiana you cannot go to any store and purchase any time of alcohol on a Sunday (and only a few exemptions are allowed, such as buying from a restaurant that must serve food or buying beer directly from the brewery, but only in limited amounts). It also has this nasty way of eroding civil rights for others when religious law is too highly favored, such as allowing for the legal tolerance of bullying and discrimination so long as it is carried out with "sincerely held religious beliefs."

 

[Tumah]

You must specify. Are you talking about the laws?

The laws, the theology. What not, really?

 

[Sundance]

The laws, the theology. What not, really?

As for the laws, man, what mudt be understood is again, the laws in the Torah (beside the Noahide Laws) are meant exclusively for Jews, and their Religion, not for non-Jews and their Religions. Each religion has a dinstict set of laws, some apply to all humankind (these are general laws) others apply specifically and exclusively to the followers of that religion. No one else.

Theology? Again, your Religion and mine are different, distinct. Yours is for you, mine is for me. I'm not you, you're not me.