Religious Nationalism in the US

[metis]

Do you really think this is an isolated case when school boards all over the country are filled with upset parents?

Maybe not isolated but probably not the standard. Again, when you used the word "they", you basically discredited what you posted.

This isn't a FOX issue but rather the little foxes that are spoiling the vine

It often is a "Fox issue". which is just another reason why one should not take it seriously and check other sources. And maybe check with your own local school board and let other districts make their own decision. After all, isn't that what "conservatives" usually preach? Too bad so many of them just talk-the-talk, such as the likes of DeSantis.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Then you will have to explain why the school board meetings all over the country and filled with angry parents.

Right wing media propaganda. For instance, some of the other articles written by the same author of your posted article in the Fox News Education section:

 

[Colt]

Right, it was an idea the Hebrews invented, and then Christians took the idea and changed it. There's a reason Jews don't accept what Christians claim about Jesus, and the whole absurdly complex story of there being a virgin impregnation, birth of a perfect child, and then his execution for the sake of paying for the sins of mankind to God, a circumstance that God himself created. It all works better as a metaphor rather than taken literally.

Salvation is common to most religions. Primitive religion evolved from mans attempt to reconcile and negotiate his belief in a ghost spirit afterworld.

* Jesus never taught the virgin birth story.

* Jesus never used the word atonement and never taught that we were supposed to kill him as some sort of convoluted sin debt payment scheme. After Jesus returned to heaven his followers developed a new Gospel about Jesus which overshadowed the original Gospel of Jesus.

* It is because God is a Loving Father that his son Satan was allowed to rebel, else he would have been summarily executed at the first thought of rebellion! The rebels were afforded TIME to repent in hopes that they would see the error of their ways. Some did repent but Satan and the others were far too invested in their mischief making pride to turn back from their cause.

For those of us who "get it", surviving a world of such treachery and atheistic activism, these things will make us stronger in the adventure that will unfold in endless service to the Universal Father.

 

[Colt]

Thanks for confirming the accuracy of the quote in your own judgy condescending way.

LoL! I can see why Hitchens is your hero. But he would have seen the wisdom in the piece I posted that nailed your way of thinking. "although Hitchens insisted he was not "a conservative of any kind", and his friend Ian McEwan described him as representing the anti-totalitarian left.

 

[F1fan]

Salvation is common to most religions. Primitive religion evolved from mans attempt to reconcile and negotiate his belief in a ghost spirit afterworld.

* Jesus never taught the virgin birth story.

Assuming a Jesus even existed. But again, more inconsistency.

* Jesus never used the word atonement and never taught that we were supposed to kill him as some sort of convoluted sin debt payment scheme. After Jesus returned to heaven his followers developed a new Gospel about Jesus which overshadowed the original Gospel of Jesus.

Of course jesus didn't talk about it. Sounds like the myth of Jesus as savior was invented after his execution.

* It is because God is a Loving Father that his son Satan was allowed to rebel, else he would have been summarily executed at the first thought of rebellion! The rebels were afforded TIME to repent in hopes that they would see the error of their ways. Some did repent but Satan and the others were far too invested in their mischief making pride to turn back from their cause.

Would a loving father allow all this to happen in a creation it is responsible for? If so, the responsibility falls on God.

For those of us who "get it", surviving a world of such treachery and atheistic activism, these things will make us stronger in the adventure that will unfold in endless service to the Universal Father.

You "get" indoctrinated into an absurd and implausible scenario, and one that isn't even flattering to God. Argubaly God caused all this since he is the creator. If you create something as an omnipotent God, the buck stops at your desk. You can't blame Satan or humans as both were created by God, and in the way they are. If God wanted a different outcome it would have created things differently.

 

[SkepticThinker]

LoL! I can see why Hicahens is your hero. But he would have seen the wisdom in the piece I posted that nailed your way of thinking. "although Hitchens insisted he was not "a conservative of any kind", and his friend Ian McEwan described him as representing the anti-totalitarian left.

Well, that's the Fox "News" version of it, anyway. You should trying reading some of his work sometime, before making judgment calls.

Never said he was my hero. Just that his quote was appropriate. And it was, as you so kindly confirmed for us.

 

[Colt]

Assuming a Jesus even existed. But again, more inconsistency.


Of course jesus didn't talk about it. Sounds like the myth of Jesus as savior was invented after his execution.


Would a loving father allow all this to happen in a creation it is responsible for? If so, the responsibility falls on God.


You "get" indoctrinated into an absurd and implausible scenario, and one that isn't even flattering to God. Argubaly God caused all this since he is the creator. If you create something as an omnipotent God, the buck stops at your desk. You can't blame Satan or humans as both were created by God, and in the way they are. If God wanted a different outcome it would have created things differently.

Oh no doubt, God created the potential for good as well as evil. Pain and suffering goes hand in hand with joy and happiness. Antitheist by default seem to want a world run by Santa Clause where no one ever sprains an ankle or hurts your feelings.

A Loving Father hopes to raise mature children not pampered spoiled brats who think that the world owes them a living!

Unfortunately, all suffer from the behavior of a few. Eventually the world will grow up and future generations won't be born into such degenerate times.

 

[Colt]

Well, that's the Fox "News" version of it, anyway. You should trying reading some of his work sometime, before making judgment calls.

Never said he was my hero. Just that his quote was appropriate. And it was, as you so kindly confirmed for us.

I have read his work, he evolved over time in a number of ways, but in the end he was bitter, Godless and took himself too seriously! All of his complaints about such and unfair and cruel world were disqualified by the fact that he self-destructed! "The way of fools seems right to them,
but the wise listen to advice".

 

[SkepticThinker]

I have read his work, he evolved over time in a number of ways, but in the end he was bitter, Godless and took himself too seriously! All of his complaints about such and unfair and cruel world were disqualified by the fact that he self-destructed! "The way of fools seems right to them,
but the wise listen to advice".

LOL "self destructed"
What nonsense. Oddly enough, that's exactly what he predicted theists would say about him after his death. Thanks for confirming another one of his quotes/beliefs.

 

[F1fan]

Oh no doubt, God created the potential for good as well as evil. Pain and suffering goes hand in hand with joy and happiness. Antitheist by default seem to want a world run by Santa Clause where no one ever sprains an ankle or hurts your feelings.

A Loving Father hopes to raise mature children not pampered spoiled brats who think that the world owes them a living!

Unfortunately, all suffer from the behavior of a few. Eventually the world will grow up and future generations won't be born into such degenerate times.

OK, and how is everything you describe here be any different in a godless universe? It wouldn’t be.

So how does a theistic scenario like what you believe be plausible? Let’s note your religious beliefs are implausible and absurd in a factual assessment of reality, and you have no evidence that any of it is true. Why believe it unless it is due to a subconscious indoctrination via social influence?

So any reasonable mind is not going to assume Christian concepts of salvation are true and workable. Rational minds, reject these assumptions and work with what is most plausible and that is that our universe has no God, and that we are here on our own. This better explains why there is evil and mental illness and diseases like children getting cancer. Children getting cancer is not explained in anyway that Christians describe as a loving God. No loving parent would ever want their children to have cancer, but to hear Christians talk about it it’s like no big deal that a child gets leukemia, and then dies after years of painful treatment . That’s just the way the world works under God. How does that make sense? It doesn’t.

I understand that you have your religious beliefs, they just don’t make sense if you try to argue for them against what we observe is true around us.

 

[Colt]

OK, and how is everything you describe here be any different in a godless universe? It wouldn’t be.

So how does a theistic scenario like what you believe be plausible? Let’s note your religious beliefs are implausible and absurd in a factual assessment of reality, and you have no evidence that any of it is true. Why believe it unless it is due to a subconscious indoctrination via social influence?

So any reasonable mind is not going to assume Christian concepts of salvation are true and workable. Rational minds, reject these assumptions and work with what is most plausible and that is that our universe has no God, and that we are here on our own. This better explains why there is evil and mental illness and diseases like children getting cancer. Children getting cancer is not explained in anyway that Christians describe as a loving God. No loving parent would ever want their children to have cancer, but to hear Christians talk about it it’s like no big deal that a child gets leukemia, and then dies after years of painful treatment . That’s just the way the world works under God. How does that make sense? It doesn’t.

I understand that you have your religious beliefs, they just don’t make sense if you try to argue for them against what we observe is true around us.

Its a common claim among Atheists, "how can there be a God becuse Children get cancer"? Its true, YOUR CONCEPT of what God should be doesn't exist!

Free will by default must come with the full range of possibilities IF we are to be free! So much of what we suffer from we bring on ourselves!

There could be plausible answers to the dilemma of suffering such as cancer. The most plausible is that the diseases like cancer that the human race still suffers from would have been eradicated long ago had the world not fallen into rebellion due to Satan's Atheist orgy of darkness and death! We all suffer from the consequences of our ancestor's behavior. Other diseases we have found cures to. We are working to cure cancers as well.

BTW, when the body's ability to heal its deterioration is overtaken by the rate of decline, we die! We all die the mortal death if we aren't translated first. This world isn't our permanent home. I have faith that God has made provisions for infants and children that die prematurely. Perhaps people who never had the experience of children are required to raise the children that die prematurely on another world???

 

[Kenny]

I've taken them, thanks. It's called a degree in psychology.


You really think an 8-year-old can't begin to figure out who they are, and to realize that they, and they alone, have power over their own bodies? What planet do you hail from, I have to ask?

PhD?

 

[F1fan]

Its a common claim among Atheists, "how can there be a God becuse Children get cancer"? Its true, YOUR CONCEPT of what God should be doesn't exist!

We are using the concepts of God that believers offer us, often with conflicting details. That’s not our problem. Since Christians are confused about what their God is is something you all have to figure out.

Free will by default must come with the full range of possibilities IF we are to be free! So much of what we suffer from we bring on ourselves!

And the social sciences are the best at explaining what is going on. And one thing they report is that there is no free will the way theists claim. Plus fir your ideal free will to work humans need more information and that is something science offers us. Many theists reject science and expertise so they often make poor judgements.

There could be plausible answers to the dilemma of suffering such as cancer. The most plausible is that the diseases like cancer that the human race still suffers from would have been eradicated long ago had the world not fallen into rebellion due to Satan's Atheist orgy of darkness and death! We all suffer from the consequences of our ancestor's behavior. Other diseases we have found cures to. We are working to cure cancers as well.

BTW, when the body's ability to heal its deterioration is overtaken by the rate of decline, we die! We all die the mortal death if we aren't translated first. This world isn't our permanent home. I have faith that God has made provisions for infants and children that die prematurely. Perhaps people who never had the experience of children are required to raise the children that die prematurely on another world???

Look at all the mental gymnastics you are doing to make your idea of God work. None of it is factual, just guessing what would need to be the case to get your idea of God off the hook. No matter what you invent as excuses any child that dies due to the nature that your God created falls on your God. It’s as if you don’t think your God can perform miracles and save children. No, we have yo rely on medicine. Just like any other godless universe.

 

[Colt]

We are using the concepts of God that believers offer us, often with conflicting details. That’s not our problem. Since Christians are confused about what their God is is something you all have to figure out.


And the social sciences are the best at explaining what is going on. And one thing they report is that there is no free will the way theists claim. Plus fir your ideal free will to work humans need more information and that is something science offers us. Many theists reject science and expertise so they often make poor judgements.


Look at all the mental gymnastics you are doing to make your idea of God work. None of it is factual, just guessing what would need to be the case to get your idea of God off the hook. No matter what you invent as excuses any child that dies due to the nature that your God created falls on your God. It’s as if you don’t think your God can perform miracles and save children. No, we have yo rely on medicine. Just like any other godless universe.

My God knows what's it's like to die the worst kind of death. He came down and experienced the human life, even death. You will have the opportunity to lodge complaints about how God runs the universe on the same day that you learn that you aren't God.

 

[F1fan]

My God knows what's it's like to die the worst kind of death. He came down and experienced the human life, even death.

That’s the claim. There is even a theatrical movie about this plot and tries to sell the idea that being whipped and crucified is somehow a unique human experience. It isn’t. Many tens of thousands were crucified by the Romans. American slaves were beaten to death. At least Jesus had the advantage of having God’s knowledge and could put his experience into perspective, right? The 3 year old girl that gets a leukemia diagnosis has no idea why she’s in agony. One thing for sure, she suffers because this is the world your God created (in your religious view, not in fact).

You will have the opportunity to lodge complaints about how God runs the universe on the same day that you learn that you aren't God.

I don’t believe you. Prove it.

 

[Colt]

That’s the claim. There is even a theatrical movie about this plot and tries to sell the idea that being whipped and crucified is somehow a unique human experience. It isn’t. Many tens of thousands were crucified by the Romans. American slaves were beaten to death. At least Jesus had the advantage of having God’s knowledge and could put his experience into perspective, right? The 3 year old girl that gets a leukemia diagnosis has no idea why she’s in agony. One thing for sure, she suffers because this is the world your God created (in your religious view, not in fact).


I don’t believe you. Prove it.

Seems you are mad at the world. People of faith live at peace with the world and accept their own finitude.

There is no claim that being whipped and crucified was unique, messengers of are often hated without a just cause.

God is within, there you will find proof if you can get out of your own way.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Salvation isn't unique to Christianity; they didn't invent it.

The Ancient Egyptians didn't have it. Hindus and Buddhists lack it. Celtic and Germanic Paganism both lack it. It's also absent in Oriental religions like Shinto and Tao.

 

[Kenny]

This link? Where does it state it is unhealthy?

Again, we are a diverse society and in a public school designed (in theory) to produce an informed citizenry to enable a healthy democracy, education should not be designed to fit the standards of a single cultural tradition. It should be as fact-based as possible and informed by the best data-driven research. That may not happen in every instance, and I am sure there are plenty of examples where teachers fail at this.

But that doesn't mean students are being groomed just because it's not a Christian-based perspective.

Has nothing to do with Christian base. You don't give a drivers license to a 13 year old you don't show them porn either. Teach, yes. Porn no.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You need classes on child rearing.

How many have you taken?
I can do you one better: classes, degree, professional experience. You're thinking an eight year old can't know is preposterous.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Has nothing to do with Christian base. You don't give a drivers license to a 13 year old you don't show them porn either. Teach, yes. Porn no.

It wasn't 13 year olds, so how about you read your own link?