Religious Nationalism in the US

[SkepticThinker]

The militant anti-theist attitude in todays secularism is just that, its a Godless materialism. Its not merely separation from church and state what we've had for ages, its a separation of religious people from public discourse.

Example?

 

[Colt]

Because we are discussing an issue where the "godless" are more trustworthy than those with "faith in God".

What is being observed in the USA is that Christian Nationalists cannot be trusted.

You have a longstanding grudge against Christians which always barges in on these forums. The claim that somehow its Christians who cant be trusted while the secularists are beyond reproach is proof of what I've been saying.

 

[metis]

Independents just don't want to take a stand.

Being an "independent" is a stand as one doesn't give up thinking by being one.

 

[Colt]

Sounds great!

Thanks for being honest! Maybe now your compatriots can stop pretending!

 

[lewisnotmiller]

IMOP, a free, no copyright thesis that represents where I'm coming from.

After Pentecost

You follow the book of Urantia?

 

[Colt]

Being an "independent" is a stand as one doesn't give up thinking by being one.

IMOP its people who have a need to be liked by everyone!

 

[Colt]

You follow the book of Urantia?

yes, it shapes my theology.

 

[F1fan]

The militant anti-theist attitude in todays secularism is just that, its a Godless materialism. Its not merely separation from church and state what we've had for ages, its a separation of religious people from public discourse.

The irony here is that your extremist Christian attitude doesn't exactly suggest you have found wisdom and peace in God's grace, but a political militant who is using Christianity as a weapon against the very people whose attitudes are closer to what Jesus taught than yours. That is the danger of Christian nationalism. It can't be trusted. Your views illustrate this.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

What's obvious isn't mindreading. Independents just don't want to take a stand.

Just to clarify, by 'independents' are you talking about people who don't subscribe to either party, or...?
Wasn't sure on your meaning.

 

[metis]

IMOP its people who have a need to be liked by everyone!

"Opinion" and "fact" are not synonymous terms, plus you've slipped back into your supposed mindreading ability again.

lame

 

[F1fan]

You have a longstanding grudge against Christians which always barges in on these forums.

False. I have no grudge. I have a lifelong set of observations of Christians claiming lofty morals while in reality are quite insensitive and cruel. This is the dilemma Christians create for themselves as they try to influence politics and society with rotten theological views. Looking at the bad faith of many republicans these days who voted for corrupt republicans, and continue to support these corrupt people we can see the negative effects. Of course the decent, sensitive, compassionate, empathetic, and rational will oppose Christian extremism and nationalism. The grudge seems to be yours given your religious beliefs and bias against your political and socail opponents. Have you even tried to argue for why Chrisytian nationalism is a good thing for the whole nation? No. How could you.

The claim that somehow its Christians who cant be trusted while the secularists are beyond reproach is proof of what I've been saying.

Then prove it. Christian nationalism gave us Trump, and all his corruption. Notice you offer no explanation why Christian nationalism is better than a secular government.

 

[Colt]

Just to clarify, by 'independents' are you talking about people who don't subscribe to either party, or...?
Wasn't sure on your meaning.

IMOP In America's 2 party system independents are often people who do actually side with one party but they like enjoying an immunity from scrutiny by their friends of an opposing view. This is especially true if one works in academia where the slightest hint of conservatism could cost one their job and reputation. My wife is a professor at an ivy league school and mildly conservative in some areas, Liberal in others.....but she dare not express ANY view that might hint at conservatism for fear of not getting contract renewals, advancement etc. Academia is the most fascist, intolerant of all the institutions in America!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

IMOP, a free, no copyright thesis that represents where I'm coming from.

After Pentecost

You can't even bother to sum all that up or even put the effort into telling me what it's about? I may roll my eyes when someone posts entire articles without putting them in quotes, but when someone says nothing about it I wonder if it's even good because it seems to not have moved or inspired much if just a mention is all it gets.
And all I see is a load of hogwash like this brilliant bit.

Modern secularism has been fostered by two world-wide influences. The father of secularism was the narrow-minded and godless attitude of nineteenth- and twentieth-century so-called science—atheistic science. The mother of modern secularism was the totalitarian medieval Christian church. Secularism had its inception as a rising protest against the almost complete domination of Western civilization by the institutionalized Christian church.

 

[Colt]

The irony here is that your extremist Christian attitude doesn't exactly suggest you have found wisdom and peace in God's grace, but a political militant who is using Christianity as a weapon against the very people whose attitudes are closer to what Jesus taught than yours. That is the danger of Christian nationalism. It can't be trusted. Your views illustrate this.

I'm considered Liberal and not Christian by most Christians I debate with, but your assumptions are proof of my contentions. Just a short time ago the beliefs of Liberal Christians are now considered Extreme by the intolerant fascist Left.

Jesus wasn't the socialist yippee that you whished he was but then again you aren't a disciple of Jesus anyway.

 

[Colt]

You can't even bother to sum all that up or even put the effort into telling me what it's about? I may roll my eyes when someone posts entire articles without putting them in quotes, but when someone says nothing about it I wonder if it's even good because it seems to not have moved or inspired much if just a mention is all it gets.
And all I see is a load of hogwash like this brilliant bit.

Its pretty short, I'm always torn between copying and pasting material that people complain about and simply linking the material. Its a 2 minute read!

 

[Rachel Rugelach]

The Puritan Pilgrims, in particular, came to America when King Charles I of England began persecuting Puritans. Many other Separatist groups fled to the Netherlands.

IIRC, The pilgrims went to Holland to avoid persecution, they later went to America because it offered more opportunities and they were losing too many people to the “corruption” of the cities.

Yes, many Separatists did go to Holland to avoid persecution, as England had nationalized religion to the point of making it illegal for people in England not to attend the Church of England. But many of these Separatists later returned to England as the Netherlands was not as ideal a place for them as they had hoped. It was from England that the famous Mayflower ship departed with the Puritans on board.

By the way, "pilgrim" was not their religion -- that was merely a term applied to anyone taking a journey for a religious purpose. Many Americans, however, view the term "pilgrim" as exclusively referring to those early Separatists who came here. A lot of Americans also think that the "pilgrims" got along great with the indigenous population already here, and that our holiday of Thanksgiving represents a charming celebration of that getting-along. The "First Thanksgiving" may have turned out that way, but it is a fact that Governor Bradford of Plymouth Colony proclaimed a Thanksgiving feast following the war with the indigenous Pequot tribe, in celebration of "the bloody victory, thanking God that the battle had been won."

However, if one teaches this history to children in our schools these days, one is likely to initiate another kind of war, with angry parents screaming about CRT or whatever else makes them feel bad to hear. Maybe, when we have a national religion of Christianity in this country, we won't need to worry about history that contradicts our beloved legends? Nah.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Christian nationalism sounds like an oxymoron to me. What on earth is that?

Ciao

- viole

It can be said the Nazis were Christian Nationalists.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Its pretty short, I'm always torn between copying and pasting material that people complain about and simply linking the material. Its a 2 minute read!

I did read it. How else could I have quoted it?
And it's no wonder you didn't waist time with a summarizing. It's not worth and a fine example of a rambling lunatic who doesn't even know it's attacking.

 

[Colt]

You can't even bother to sum all that up or even put the effort into telling me what it's about? I may roll my eyes when someone posts entire articles without putting them in quotes, but when someone says nothing about it I wonder if it's even good because it seems to not have moved or inspired much if just a mention is all it gets.
And all I see is a load of hogwash like this brilliant bit.

Here is a preview:

195:8.4 "It required a great power, a mighty influence, to free the thinking and living of the Western peoples from the withering grasp of a totalitarian ecclesiastical domination. Secularism did break the bonds of church control, and now in turn it threatens to establish a new and godless type of mastery over the hearts and minds of modern man. The tyrannical and dictatorial political state is the direct offspring of scientific materialism and philosophic secularism. Secularism no sooner frees man from the domination of the institutionalized church than it sells him into slavish bondage to the totalitarian state. Secularism frees man from ecclesiastical slavery only to betray him into the tyranny of political and economic slavery." UB 1955

 

[Colt]

I did read it. How else could I have quoted it?
And it's no wonder you didn't waist time with a summarizing. It's not worth and a fine example of a rambling lunatic who doesn't even know it's attacking.

Ok, sorry, I mistook you for someone else.