Religious or non religious, when do you think america collectively lost its moral compass?

[Thermos aquaticus]

Despite the time gap between the 60s and the present, there still remains an obvious glass ceiling that is prevalent in institutions as well as the economy

Indeed. That is why I referred to "open" sexism, where employers could openly scoff about hiring a female doctor or female CEO, as two examples. At least in modern times there are real consequences for openly discriminating against women in the workplace. Unfortunately, discrimination is difficult to prove and discouraging to prosecute, so a lot goes unpunished.

 

[spiros]

"Unfortunately, discrimination is difficult to prove and discouraging to prosecute, so a lot goes unpunished"

Not that I have anything to complain about, but it seems America is becoming desensitized to the fact that everything is becoming more, and more deregulated. But people also have children to feed careers to maintain or businesses to profit from.

Without ethics, without regulation whats left? Corruption?

Note** this is not serious post


Generalization assumptions.

 

[sealchan]

politicians and regulators looked the other way when the harrowing opioid crisis began to depopulate america.

poor Michigan children, who were touted for their excellent intellectual skills, drank deadly lead tainted water that caused them to have irreversible brain development disabilities.


with this being just a few example of many crises, when do you think america lost its moral compass?

And do you think that one is being too optimistic to think that ethics will be implemented in the future? Or does America have the possibility to establish a moral compass that assures fair justice, opportunity, due process and human rights? with everything be deregulated with loopholes and business influence enthralled, is there a possibility to even consider ethics?

i wrote this on purpose. i am not trying to be an intellectual so excuse unedited grammar

Legislators in my state seem to be interested in these topics...

Of course, some politicians and the people they represent don't seem to think that addiction is anything but a personal choice issue...

Often politicians lag behind an issue until their constituency gets worked up about it enough...that is what representing your constituency is all about.

How many residents of Michigan drink bottled water and voted for a President who wants to slash the EPA?

When the politicians serve the insane, the ignorant or the divided, what can you expect?

 

[spiros]

Legislators in my state seem to be interested in these topics...

Of course, some politicians and the people they represent don't seem to think that addiction is anything but a personal choice issue...

Often politicians lag behind an issue until their constituency gets worked up about it enough...that is what representing your constituency is all about.

How many residents of Michigan drink bottled water and voted for a President who wants to slash the EPA?

When the politicians serve the insane, the ignorant or the divided, what can you expect?

Well, if social media was regulated like it is in Europe, the EPA slasher wouldnt exist in his position. Also, Flint is predominately black.

Note*** I am writing this on purpos3

 

[columbus]

I believe it happened in the sixties. Rebellion against the Vietnamese war led to rebellion against all authority and moral values.

Really?
So back when we were slaughtering indigenous peoples and enslaving Africans we were morally better?

As a gay man, I didn't care for the morality of the 50s either.
Tom

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It never had one. Rather, it's a matter of constantly trying to find one and adhere to it.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

politicians and regulators looked the other way when the harrowing opioid crisis began to depopulate america.

poor Michigan children, who were touted for their excellent intellectual skills, drank deadly lead tainted water that caused them to have irreversible brain development disabilities.


with this being just a few example of many crises, when do you think america lost its moral compass?

And do you think that one is being too optimistic to think that ethics will be implemented in the future? Or does America have the possibility to establish a moral compass that assures fair justice, opportunity, due process and human rights? with everything be deregulated with loopholes and business influence enthralled, is there a possibility to even consider ethics?

i wrote this on purpose. i am not trying to be an intellectual so excuse unedited grammar

1) When do you believe America HAD it's moral compass?
2) It doesn't require intellectualism to edit text for legibility. It simply helps convey your message more clearly.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I believe it happened in the sixties. Rebellion against the Vietnamese war led to rebellion against all authority and moral values.

I believe it is a downward slope that only ends when the world ends.

I believe there is a corollary: a lack of morals leads to a lack of church attendance, a lack of belief in Christianity and Apostasy. We are seeing the fruits of that now

You think the Vietnam War was moral?
I'd be interested in the explanation for that.

 

[sayak83]

politicians and regulators looked the other way when the harrowing opioid crisis began to depopulate america.

poor Michigan children, who were touted for their excellent intellectual skills, drank deadly lead tainted water that caused them to have irreversible brain development disabilities.


with this being just a few example of many crises, when do you think america lost its moral compass?

And do you think that one is being too optimistic to think that ethics will be implemented in the future? Or does America have the possibility to establish a moral compass that assures fair justice, opportunity, due process and human rights? with everything be deregulated with loopholes and business influence enthralled, is there a possibility to even consider ethics?

i wrote this on purpose. i am not trying to be an intellectual so excuse unedited grammar

When did it have a moral compass?

 

[Stevicus]

"Unfortunately, discrimination is difficult to prove and discouraging to prosecute, so a lot goes unpunished"

Not that I have anything to complain about, but it seems America is becoming desensitized to the fact that everything is becoming more, and more deregulated. But people also have children to feed careers to maintain or businesses to profit from.

Without ethics, without regulation whats left? Corruption?

Corruption has existed for as long as politics has existed.

Deregulation would work if people actually did have a moral compass and a sense of ethics. Since most of them don't, deregulation has invariably done more harm than good. Of course, with regulation, the regulators have to have a sense of ethics and a moral compass, too. Otherwise it works just as bad as if there was no regulation at all.

But now that I think about it, a posse of Regulators might be just what this country needs right about now.

 

[sayak83]

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Note** I wrote this on purpose becaus3 they like to mak3 fun of me

I don't mean this as a morally superior person so please do not assume that i am a saint

I guess I am mentioning the events that started in the 1980s and culminated in modern times of what seems to be peak desensitization.

With horrible violence occurring at places such as schools, unfettered government surveillance that was revealed by Edward snowden, and the bailout of big banks which culminated in big tax cuts years later, one has to think that America is so desensitized that any notion of a collective moral compass or sense of morality is completely gone

People, three decades ago, were not really obsessed or paranoid about their children's safety at school nor were they worried about drinking the tap from flint Michigan.

It just seems that America has become desensitized, losing its collective direction of what is ethically right or wrong.

I practice pacifism but that doesn't make me morally superior than a person who practices violence.

My explanation doesnt make sense

This data below shows America's morality is improving with time. How do this fit with your contrary idea?

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

"Unfortunately, discrimination is difficult to prove and discouraging to prosecute, so a lot goes unpunished"

Not that I have anything to complain about, but it seems America is becoming desensitized to the fact that everything is becoming more, and more deregulated. But people also have children to feed careers to maintain or businesses to profit from.

That would apply to some Americans on the conservative side of the spectrum. For them, loyalty to a political party is more important than better economic outcomes for them and their family.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

Deregulation would work if people actually did have a moral compass and a sense of ethics. Since most of them don't, deregulation has invariably done more harm than good. Of course, with regulation, the regulators have to have a sense of ethics and a moral compass, too. Otherwise it works just as bad as if there was no regulation at all.

What we should do is have a system where the cause of corruption (i.e. profit) is lessened. If a company has to choose between not polluting and profit they will choose profit every time if there are no consequences to polluting. This is why it is a good idea to have a regulatory system that fines companies for polluting, and also have that regulatory system independent of the profits of that company. When you have the head of a regulatory body getting free room and board from one of the polluters . . . that spells trouble. Campaign contributions are also a massive problem.

 

[Stevicus]

What we should do is have a system where the cause of corruption (i.e. profit) is lessened. If a company has to choose between not polluting and profit they will choose profit every time if there are no consequences to polluting. This is why it is a good idea to have a regulatory system that fines companies for polluting, and also have that regulatory system independent of the profits of that company. When you have the head of a regulatory body getting free room and board from one of the polluters . . . that spells trouble. Campaign contributions are also a massive problem.

Well, yes, money always seems to buy its way into politics. That's always been the case. But usually when corruption comes to light and is made known to the public, there is a call for action and justice. If it can be proven at least. If you're saying we should try harder and increase our efforts in fighting corruption, then I agree wholeheartedly.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

Well, yes, money always seems to buy its way into politics. That's always been the case. But usually when corruption comes to light and is made known to the public, there is a call for action and justice. If it can be proven at least. If you're saying we should try harder and increase our efforts in fighting corruption, then I agree wholeheartedly.

I would argue more for preventing corruption which is what regulations and regulatory agencies are there for, but I get the feeling we agree more than we disagree. What I was getting at more than anything is realizing where corruption comes from and do our best to take those sources of corruption out of the picture.

 

[Nakosis]

politicians and regulators looked the other way when the harrowing opioid crisis began to depopulate america.

poor Michigan children, who were touted for their excellent intellectual skills, drank deadly lead tainted water that caused them to have irreversible brain development disabilities.


with this being just a few example of many crises, when do you think america lost its moral compass?

And do you think that one is being too optimistic to think that ethics will be implemented in the future? Or does America have the possibility to establish a moral compass that assures fair justice, opportunity, due process and human rights? with everything be deregulated with loopholes and business influence enthralled, is there a possibility to even consider ethics?

i wrote this on purpose. i am not trying to be an intellectual so excuse unedited grammar

I think it's a mistake to assume there exists a standard for ethics/morals.

My morals are probably not the same as yours. Probably not the same as the politicians running things.

There is a popular moral view that politicians will play the tune of as needed to get themselves elected. That tune changes from year to year, week to week depending on what's current in the news.

So there's, IMO, no true north on the moral compass. Just a lot of opinion on where it should be pointing.

 

[JustWondering]

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Note** I wrote this on purpose becaus3 they like to mak3 fun of me

I don't mean this as a morally superior person so please do not assume that i am a saint

I guess I am mentioning the events that started in the 1980s and culminated in modern times of what seems to be peak desensitization.

With horrible violence occurring at places such as schools, unfettered government surveillance that was revealed by Edward snowden, and the bailout of big banks which culminated in big tax cuts years later, one has to think that America is so desensitized that any notion of a collective moral compass or sense of morality is completely gone

People, three decades ago, were not really obsessed or paranoid about their children's safety at school nor were they worried about drinking the tap from flint Michigan.

It just seems that America has become desensitized, losing its collective direction of what is ethically right or wrong.

I practice pacifism but that doesn't make me morally superior than a person who practices violence.

My explanation doesnt make sense

New times, new problems. I don't see how that makes anyone anymore or less moral then before.

 

[spiros]

New times, new problems. I don't see how that makes anyone anymore or less moral then before.

An agreement of ethics is what creates a regulation, so maybe america ethics are changing to better fit the modern world?


Note* I am not serious because iam writing this on purpose. I am just saying what the typical conspiracy theorist say. These are not my views not that iam a celebrity or intellectual



Since the 80s the following examples have happened:

The opiod crisis which was preceded by the crack cocaine epidemic.

The paranoia that parents developed when sending there children to school.

Consitutional loopholes that lead federal agencies and local law enforcement to warantlessly surveil innocent Americans without any real cause.

Contracted Telecom companies collecting data of its customers for the government.

2012 and 2016 being most expensive elections in history.

The deregulation of financial reforms that condoned the 2007 crisis

The further deregulation of financial reforms by removing dodd Frank.

Citizens United court ruling

Implemented three strike rules that lead to expensive mass incarceration which lead to the growth of the private prison sector

Nafta which killed small businesses and sent jobs overseas that allowed tax dodging.

Tax cuts years after the financial crisis which is still affecting America

Social media data collecting which remains unregulated

The flint Michigan and Charleston West virginia water crises which has not influenced further regulations or oversight.

Questionable police practices where law enforcement body cam has been purposely turned off.

It just seems that America is collectively desensitized, losing its collective moral compass that allows us to question deregulation and other

I wrote this on purpose because not everybody agrees if deregulation or questionable judicial rulings are morally wrong.

An agreement of ethics is what creates a regulation, so maybe america ethics are changing to better fit the modern world?

I wrote this on purpos3 to sound like a conspiracy theorist. It is not serious argument or reflection of my views

 

[spiros]

I think it's a mistake to assume there exists a standard for ethics/morals.

My morals are probably not the same as yours. Probably not the same as the politicians running things.

There is a popular moral view that politicians will play the tune of as needed to get themselves elected. That tune changes from year to year, week to week depending on what's current in the news.

So there's, IMO, no true north on the moral compass. Just a lot of opinion on where it should be pointing.

An agreement of ethics is what creates a regulation, so maybe america ethics are changing to better fit the modern world?

 

[sealchan]

Well, if social media was regulated like it is in Europe, the EPA slasher wouldnt exist in his position. Also, Flint is predominately black.

Note*** I am writing this on purpos3

Time to get out the vote I think...