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Religious Perspectives on Atheism

muichimotsu

Holding All and None
To make this more accessible and less heavy on complex philosophical investigation, I thought it better to make a topic to allow people to contribute their thoughts on what they think atheism is and its nature.

This second concern is due to what I understand to be something of a common perspective in Christian thought to regard even people that believe in something transcendent, but not exactly like the God of Abrahamic tradition, as atheists.
Deists, Pantheists, monists (like Hindus for one example) and in more ancient traditions, polytheists, were all considered atheistic by general Christian thought. Of course one could extend the idea of atheism beyond the Western concern, but it seems like atheism is not the concern so much of Eastern religious as impiety or improper praxis moreso. Feel free to chime in though if you have thoughts on Eastern faiths' regard for atheism and how to define it, etc.

And what about children? Are they considered atheists since they don't know the concept of God necessarily from birth, but are educated about it in church? Obviously it would be a bit quirky to ask if we could consider animals atheistic, since one argues commonly they don't have souls and thus cannot even consider the concept of God, let alone its existence.


Hope this helps with making my last inquiry into atheism more easily accessible on this forum. And I will not reply for a while to the posts unless you ask me to, just to be courteous
 

Engyo

Prince of Dorkness!
A-theism. Not-theism. Buddhism is not theist, although there are gods in the Buddhist cosmology. The gods in Buddhism are another class of unenlightened beings, just like humans and demons. I'm not quite sure how you might want to classify that.
 

Rainbow Mage

Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
I don't think children are atheists at all. Think about it, they believe in higher powers, but they channel them through facets like the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus. I think humans are born with an inherent draw toward the divine. On a TV show like kid nation the first thing kids start doing when they're allowed to built their own society is making gods for things.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I wonder if belief in the potencial for transcendency (as opposed to belief in trancendental beings or even in a transcendental will) would qualify.

Oh, and I agree that children aren't atheists either (at least generally speaking). Although I sure don't think they're necessarily theists either. Maybe it would be more accurate to call then animistic or perhaps pantheistic. Although even that only comes after some distancing from the strong delusion about mother existing only to protect them, which I don't think is quite theism either. More like Faith in a somewhat crude form.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I've always been an atheist. When younger, I passively didn't believe in gods. Later, I actively didn't believe in gods.
 

muichimotsu

Holding All and None
Think of it in the sense that you don't have an active concept of God in your psyche. You behave only based on rules that your parents enforce. In that sense children at at most apatheists, they don't care whether God exists or doesn't exist, they behave in a consistent fashion regardless.

And in regards to Buddhism, many would classify it as a form of monism/nondualism. And at best it would probably also be apatheistic, the gods' existence doesn't matter, since as noted, they are unenlightened,however powerful they may be

Belief in transcendence is not necessarily opposed to the idea of atheism in the sense Andre Comte Sponeville noted in the Little Book of Atheist Spirituality. The immanent transcendence we find in everyday life is an amazing absolute in itself. There is no logical need, only a seeming aesthetic desire, to inject a creator with a personal interest in humanity as a creation into the universe we already exist in as children without necessarily thinking in terms beyond what the culture might predispose us to do (project intention into non human forces like the weather, etc)
 

tarasan

Well-Known Member
Think of all the other god concepts out there that you don't believe in - it's just like that, only with one more.


no at all the general belief in a divine supercedes just one particular religious Ideal, to loose the concept of thiesm would be a HUGE change than merely lossing a belief in a particular. if i were to change thiestic belief I would still belief in the supernatural and everything that incorperates it. however if I were athiestic that entire side to life would be lost.

what a huge difference that one less makes.
 

Nanda

Polyanna
no at all the general belief in a divine supercedes just one particular religious Ideal, to loose the concept of thiesm would be a HUGE change than merely lossing a belief in a particular. if i were to change thiestic belief I would still belief in the supernatural and everything that incorperates it. however if I were athiestic that entire side to life would be lost.

what a huge difference that one less makes.

What I'm saying is that the way one feels about all the things they don't believe in - be it Santa, Zeus, unicorns, whatever - is the exact same way an atheist feels about god concepts.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Belief in God is much like right-handedness: most people have it, but a sizeable percentage simply does not and will not.

There is definitely some sort of "vocation" both for and against god-belief, probably one of neurological and/or cultural origin. Of course, the matter of just what it is that various people call "belief in god" doesn't help.
 

muichimotsu

Holding All and None
no at all the general belief in a divine supercedes just one particular religious Ideal, to loose the concept of thiesm would be a HUGE change than merely lossing a belief in a particular. if i were to change thiestic belief I would still belief in the supernatural and everything that incorperates it. however if I were athiestic that entire side to life would be lost.

what a huge difference that one less makes.

Belief in the divine is not necessarily identical to believing in God or gods, since they would be the ones that especially fall under the Greek theos. With belief in something like the Tao or more transcendent forces as contrasted with entities, one could argue they are atheistic in the sense that they lack a God or gods that have human characteristics within their worldview, which means atheism can cover a wide array of positions that are considered religious and also that are considered irreligious.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
I don't think children are atheists at all. Think about it, they believe in higher powers,
And the children are absolutely correct. Think about this. If “God” is the creator and sustainer, a being of great power and wisdom that far exceeds our own, our judge, bringer of punishment and of reward then “God is a reality for young children.

“Mother is the name of God on the lips and in the hearts of all children.”
 

muichimotsu

Holding All and None
fantôme profane;2023371 said:
And the children are absolutely correct. Think about this. If “God” is the creator and sustainer, a being of great power and wisdom that far exceeds our own, our judge, bringer of punishment and of reward then “God is a reality for young children.

“Mother is the name of God on the lips and in the hearts of all children.”


You could take that at least two ways: 1) they are projecting an innate consciousness of "God" (in the Abrahamic sense) onto their parents, mother and/or father, or 2) they are just projecting a desire for overarching authority, protection and orientation that is innate in human psychology onto their parents, making them "God" in the loosest sense of the quote, God as in ultimate concern
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
I don't really have an opinion on just atheism one way or the other; it's just another way of looking at the world, and it's a very valid one. It's just not one I hold myself.
 

Rainbow Mage

Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
I think if a person is an Atheist it must be god's will. I know that's going to sound silly to some, but let me explain. I think God is in everything, working through everything.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Think of all the other god concepts out there that you don't believe in - it's just like that, only with one more.

Nanda, Yosef is a polytheist. ;)

In all honesty, though, as I am now, there's not a whole lot of spirituality in my life, though I'm a theist. (I'm working on that, though.) If you took theism out of my life right now, there wouldn't be a very big difference.
 

Commoner

Headache
I think if a person is an Atheist it must be god's will. I know that's going to sound silly to some, but let me explain. I think God is in everything, working through everything.

That does sound silly...

Atheists are atheists because religions/theists have not met their burden of proof. Before you can speculate on whether or not something is "god's will", you must first establish that there is a god.

I really dislike this kind of point of view, it is as if you feel you are privy to some sort of special knowledge that I am being denied. I call BS on that...

Perhaps I should add a smiley to make my posts seem less harsh, here - :) - I hope that helps.
 
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LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
That does sound silly...

Atheists are atheists because religions/theists have not met their burden of proof. Before you can speculate on whether or not something is "god's will", you must first establish that there is a god.

I really dislike this kind of point of view, it is as if you feel you are privy to some sort of special knowledge that I am being denied. I call BS on that...

Perhaps I should add a smiley to make my posts seem less harsh, here - :) - I hope that helps.

Maybe you are taking things a bit too seriously, I don't know.

If nothing else, belief that God wants Atheists to exist sure beats most manifestations of the belief that God wants us Atheists to accept him... ;)

I don't take issue with that idea, myself. Of course Theists must have some sort of opinion on why Atheists exist. I much prefer that they recognize us as legitimate and real than either of the alternatives.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
I think if a person is an Atheist it must be god's will. I know that's going to sound silly to some, but let me explain. I think God is in everything, working through everything.

Ha.. so I guess I will just refer to it as 'everything, working through everything.' That definition is more applicable to the Tao than to God anyways, but like I said.. just labels to something inaccurately labeled.
 
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