Religious tolerance vs acceptance

[Green Gaia]

I find that religious tolerance and accepting someone's religion as true are two very different things. Others would disagree with me and say that to be tolerant of something is to condone it. Where do you stand on tolerance vs acceptance?

 

[Lycan]

I find that religious tolerance and accepting someone's religion as true are two very different things. Others would disagree with me and say that to be tolerant of something is to condone it. Where do you stand on tolerance vs acceptance?

I agree that they are different things...
IMHO - Religious tolerance is acknowledging that others believe their faith to be truth just as much as I believe mine to be truth...
Accepting other belief system as truth seems a contradiction of your own truth.

(truth in this case being religious truth which is the opinion of truth based on experience)

 

[Doc]

When I speak of faiths different to mine, I prefer to use respect. It holds a deeper meaning. Tolerance means you will allow it I think, where as Acceptance seems to mean taking the faith as your own in a way.
Like I said, respect holds a deeper meaning. I say that I respect a belief or religion. I don't say I tolerate or accept. Respect.

 

[jewscout]

I see nothing wrong with tolerance of others religion while keeping your own beliefs...i think that is what has allowed faith to flourish here in the US. We don't have an official "church" and permit observance of any and all faiths and it has worked to the benefit of religion.

If you find you agree with their faith and CHOOSE to accept it that's all well and good, but being forced to do so is a whole other story.

 

[Doc]

Yes, disrespect and religious intolerance is what has started wars and has lead to the deaths of millions. Religious tolerance and respect is what holds America together when some try to break it by bringing it into governement. They should seriously open a history book.

 

[michel]

I find that religious tolerance and accepting someone's religion as true are two very different things. Others would disagree with me and say that to be tolerant of something is to condone it. Where do you stand on tolerance vs acceptance?

Religious tolerance is part of my credo; after all it merely means that others have the right to think differently from the way I do; surely we all practice religious tolerance here on RF. To 'condone 'other people's belief sounds like a rather 'high and mighty'attitude.

as for Acceptance; Acceptance is acknowleging the substance of a fact and also admitting that there is nothing that you can do to change whatever it is that you 'accept'.

Therefore, to my way of thinking the two are totally different; the 'condone' bit

 

[huajiro]

To tolerate a religion is to respect it.........to accept it is to approve it.

 

[TheTrendyCynic]

Nonsense. If you are a religious person, then you believe your religion to be true -- more than that, you know it to be true. You also know the beliefs of other religions to be false. If you know something to be wrong, then why respect it? I'm not saying to disrespect the people, but certainly do not respect beliefs that you know to be false.

Being respectful of another's beliefs implies that their beliefs hold as much value as yours do. If you know your beliefs are true and theirs are false, how can you possibly hold to the idea that they're of equal value? I do not respect the belief of someone who insists that money literally grows on trees, and nor should you respect the belief of someone of a different faith (that you know to be wrong).

The only way theists can honestly respect beliefs they do not share is if they subconsciously do see them as being of equal value -- that they're based on the same weight of evidence (none), possess the same logical support (none) and represent the same amount of truth (none). If theists truly accepted their faith as being 100% certain, then they would be incapable of respecting the beliefs of others (just as they are incapable of respecting the belief of a lunatic who insists he is Napoleon -- to a 100% devout Catholic, the beliefs of Islamics or Hindus are just as alien).

 

[No*s]

I find that religious tolerance and accepting someone's religion as true are two very different things. Others would disagree with me and say that to be tolerant of something is to condone it. Where do you stand on tolerance vs acceptance?

I agree with you. I can think, honestly and firmly, that you are wrong, but that doesn't mean I believe we should institute governmental policy to make it thus. One of my favorite jokes is "You have a right to be wrong," which I tell to only a select few people (lest they misunderstand it).

 

[Fluffy]

I find that religious tolerance and accepting someone's religion as true are two very different things. Others would disagree with me and say that to be tolerant of something is to condone it. Where do you stand on tolerance vs acceptance?

Well condoning something and accepting something are slightly different. I think that if you are tolerant of something then you condone it by saying that it is okay to be like that. That does not mean to say that you think that they are correct, just that they are doing no harm in living like that so there is no reason to disallow them.

Religious tolerance is a tricky one because a religion can entail a huge variety of things. I am not tolerant of some aspects of other religions. I am tolerant of people believing in those things as long as they don't act on those beliefs. For example if a religion preached violence towards a given section of society then I would be the last one to preach religious tolerance. If they believed that this section was living immorally but either tried to deal with it in a way that did not harm anyone or just live and let live then I would be totally tolerant of their beliefs.

 

[Jaymes]

Tolerance and condoning are two very different things...

If a baby is crying on a plane, I will tolerate it and not throw it out the window. That doesn't mean I condone babies crying on planes and bothering me, though.

 

[Master Vigil]

I believe tolerance comes only from humility. If one realizes that no matter how much they believe, it is possible for them to wrong, than tolerance comes. If one tolerates anothers religion, but still believes it to be wrong, there really is no tolerance, or at the very least, it is simply on the surface. Real tolerance comes from realizing that you may be wrong.

 

[jewscout]

Nonsense. If you are a religious person, then you believe your religion to be true -- more than that, you know it to be true. You also know the beliefs of other religions to be false. If you know something to be wrong, then why respect it? I'm not saying to disrespect the people, but certainly do not respect beliefs that you know to be false.

Being respectful of another's beliefs implies that their beliefs hold as much value as yours do. If you know your beliefs are true and theirs are false, how can you possibly hold to the idea that they're of equal value? I do not respect the belief of someone who insists that money literally grows on trees, and nor should you respect the belief of someone of a different faith (that you know to be wrong).

The only way theists can honestly respect beliefs they do not share is if they subconsciously do see them as being of equal value -- that they're based on the same weight of evidence (none), possess the same logical support (none) and represent the same amount of truth (none). If theists truly accepted their faith as being 100% certain, then they would be incapable of respecting the beliefs of others (just as they are incapable of respecting the belief of a lunatic who insists he is Napoleon -- to a 100% devout Catholic, the beliefs of Islamics or Hindus are just as alien).

Nonsense. If you are a religious person, then you believe your religion to be true -- more than that, you know it to be true. You also know the beliefs of other religions to be false. If you know something to be wrong, then why respect it? I'm not saying to disrespect the people, but certainly do not respect beliefs that you know to be false.

Being respectful of another's beliefs implies that their beliefs hold as much value as yours do. If you know your beliefs are true and theirs are false, how can you possibly hold to the idea that they're of equal value? I do not respect the belief of someone who insists that money literally grows on trees, and nor should you respect the belief of someone of a different faith (that you know to be wrong).

The only way theists can honestly respect beliefs they do not share is if they subconsciously do see them as being of equal value -- that they're based on the same weight of evidence (none), possess the same logical support (none) and represent the same amount of truth (none). If theists truly accepted their faith as being 100% certain, then they would be incapable of respecting the beliefs of others (just as they are incapable of respecting the belief of a lunatic who insists he is Napoleon -- to a 100% devout Catholic, the beliefs of Islamics or Hindus are just as alien).

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