Rep. Becca Ballint (D-VT) on Trump v Biden

[Jayhawker Soule]

From MEDIAite:

'A Win For Donald Trump Is a Win For Netanyahu': First US Jewish Lawmaker
To Call For Ceasefire Warns Against Trump Victory in November​

​

[CNN's Victor Blackwell] asked, “What did you…say to those constituents who agree with everything you just said — that the U.S. should send a message, there should be some controls or some checks on the use of the weapons, that there’s not enough aid — and they say, ‘For that reason, I’m not voting for Joe Biden in November.’ What do you tell them?”​

“A win for Donald Trump is a win for Netanyahu, period. No question,” Balint said. “If you want to see a safe and secure Israel and a safe and secure Palestine, Joe Biden is the president that will be working tirelessly to bring about two-state solution as well as peace and security in the entire region. I can, I will say it again: A vote for Donald Trump, or a vote that is sitting out, you know, this election, and not voting for president Biden, is a win for Benjamin Netanyahu.”​

Yep.

 

[Spice]

Unfortunately Conservative Evangelicals are behind Israel at all costs, as they find the Bible saying they must be. And they can't separate Bibi, or any other Israeli PM from their view of Israel

 

[tytlyf]

And "progressives" who won't vote for Biden because of this conflict are helping Trump and MAGA win.
They don't realize how dangerous their position is.

 

[Revoltingest]

And "progressives" who won't vote for Biden because of this conflict are helping Trump and MAGA win.
They don't realize how dangerous their position is.

Yes, we do.
But enuf is enuf of the hideous offerings from the Big Two.
I will not vote for a President who supports apartheid &
genocide, even though the other option also supports it.

In the 2016 election, liberals viciously criticized me for
voting for the lesser of 2 evils, saying that I "supported"
evil. I'll reciprocate....
You support apartheid & genocide if you vote for Biden.

 

[fantome profane]

Yes, we do.
But enuf is enuf of the hideous offerings from the Big Two.
I will not vote for a President who supports apartheid &
genocide, even though the other option also supports it.

In the 2016 election, liberals viciously criticized me for
voting for the lesser of 2 evils, saying that I "supported"
evil. I'll reciprocate....
You support apartheid & genocide if you vote for Biden.

But you didn't vote for the lesser of 2 evils in 2016.

 

[tytlyf]

You support apartheid & genocide if you vote for Biden.

Incorrect. Preventing a Trump presidency takes precedence. Voting for Biden is the responsible thing to do.
Just like voting for Hillary was the responsible thing to do.

 

[Pogo]

Yes, we do.
But enuf is enuf of the hideous offerings from the Big Two.
I will not vote for a President who supports apartheid &
genocide, even though the other option also supports it.

In the 2016 election, liberals viciously criticized me for
voting for the lesser of 2 evils, saying that I "supported"
evil. I'll reciprocate....
You support apartheid & genocide if you vote for Biden.

Until we have another way to express our discontent with the choices, not voting because neither one is a good choice on an issue is not productive on the issue at hand.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

But you didn't vote for the lesser of 2 evils in 2016.

Nor should anyone -- a "vote for the lesser of 2 evils" (or an uncast vote) too often turns into, effectivly, a vote for the greater of them.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

A win for Netanyahu, Orban, Putin, etc.

 

[Revoltingest]

But you didn't vote for the lesser of 2 evils in 2016.

And I'm changing things up this time.
I've not discussed every reason yet.
Been busy....& infirm...but now recovered.

 

[Revoltingest]

Incorrect. Preventing a Trump presidency takes precedence.

This misses the point of using the liberal's
criticism of voting for the lesser of 2evils
being applied to themselves.

 

[Revoltingest]

Until we have another way to express our discontent with the choices, not voting because neither one is a good choice on an issue is not productive on the issue at hand.

It all depends upon how much influence my
intent might have to inspire others to tell
their representatives....
"Hey, you're ******* up by supporting genocide.
It's losing you votes. Take real action to stop it now!"
There's no predicting what path is best.
But this year, I'm voting Libertarian, & showing
Genocide Joe for what he is....the enabler of evil.

 

[fantome profane]

Been busy....& infirm...but now recovered.

Glad to hear you have recovered.

But this year, I'm voting Libertarian, & showing
Genocide Joe for what he is....the enabler of evil.

If Biden takes some real action to show he is no longer going to enable Netanyahu, would you reconsider? (and I mean actions, not just words)

 

[Revoltingest]

Glad to hear you have recovered.

If Biden takes some real action to show he is no longer going to enable Netanyahu would you reconsider? (and I mean actions, not just words)

Absolutely, yes!

 

[Pogo]

It all depends upon how much influence my
intent might have to inspire others to tell
their representatives....
"Hey, you're ******* up by supporting genocide.
It's losing you votes. Take real action to stop it now!"
There's no predicting what path is best.
But this year, I'm voting Libertarian, & showing
Genocide Joe for what he is....the enabler of evil.

And I Vote socialist even though we generally agree, the point being that our votes indicate support for our positions.
We neither agree with the 2 way votes we post, but progress comes of progression, not random leaps.

 

[Pogo]

Glad to hear you have recovered.

If Biden takes some real action to show he is no longer going to enable Netanyahu, would you reconsider? (and I mean actions, not just words)

Schumer gave him permission to quietly push Netanyhu by telling him that American Jews were not necessarily on Netanyu's side.
It is a big mess because Biden cannot be honest about Schumer's and
American's position because there is a large number of Christians ? that do not understand reality.

We do not know what Biden is saying to Netanyahu privately.l

 

[tytlyf]

This misses the point of using the liberal's
criticism of voting for the lesser of 2evils
being applied to themselves.

The lesser of 2 evils is still the best option available.
Not voting only assists the greater evil and hinders the lesser

 

[Revoltingest]

The lesser of 2 evils is still the best option available.
Not voting only assists the greater evil and hinders the lesser

Liberals believe in the lesser of 2 evils when
if favors Democrats. But in 2016, they played
a different tune when it favored the Republican.
Do liberals have any value that's held in all
circumstances?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

And I Vote socialist even though we generally agree, the point being that our votes indicate support for our positions.

It also indicates a naive and irresponsible disregard for the consequences, unless, of course, that vote is effectively inconsequential.

 

[Colt]

From MEDIAite:

'A Win For Donald Trump Is a Win For Netanyahu': First US Jewish Lawmaker
To Call For Ceasefire Warns Against Trump Victory in November​

​

[CNN's Victor Blackwell] asked, “What did you…say to those constituents who agree with everything you just said — that the U.S. should send a message, there should be some controls or some checks on the use of the weapons, that there’s not enough aid — and they say, ‘For that reason, I’m not voting for Joe Biden in November.’ What do you tell them?”​

“A win for Donald Trump is a win for Netanyahu, period. No question,” Balint said. “If you want to see a safe and secure Israel and a safe and secure Palestine, Joe Biden is the president that will be working tirelessly to bring about two-state solution as well as peace and security in the entire region. I can, I will say it again: A vote for Donald Trump, or a vote that is sitting out, you know, this election, and not voting for president Biden, is a win for Benjamin Netanyahu.”​

Yep.

Oh, a 2-state solution? What a refreshing idea.........that the Palestinians have rejected over, and over and over again!

I'm sorry but the truth is very ugly! They hate you now and they will hate you under a 2-state solution and they will continue to hate you ad infinitum! They will blame their own failings on contrived Jewish conspiracies to hold down Arab Muslims! The allies of Hamas in the region don't even trust the Palestinians! Rather the Palestinians are just pawns on a battle front motivated by the desire to destroy the State of Israel! Tragically there were Jews in WWII who had this false hope that they were really being shipped off in cattle cars to work camps!

Hamas was hoping for this soft naivete! Netanyahu is no fool! You might buy into the lies but thank God he doesn't!