Repeal the 2nd Amendment

[Curious George]

Rattle them off. And tell us who purported them?

Lol, good call bad word choice

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Unfortunately where America is at banning guns would give too much power to those with illegal guns. But, even still, a complete overhaul of our system that includes very strict and tight regulations is needed and ideal.

The right to bear arms is a central tenet of a free society.

There are free countries that do not have guns.

Further, if individuals do not have the right to bear arms, it allows for the possibility of a police state.

An armed populace would only prevent a police state only if those running the state are idiots and entirely incompetent at running a state. You can even have guns, and still face your state becoming a police state,such as the transformations we are seeing happening in America.

 

[Curious George]

I'll repeat: I know of no court decision that has held that the increased risk of death and injury that guns in the home create is justified by any constitutional provision. The lack of justification of such risk is precisely why trigger-lock/safe-storage laws have been enacted and upheld.

And why would they, the concept behind such a law is that it is narrowly tailored. Making guns unavailable for home storage is not.

 

[Curious George]

Apparently you are unable to specify any non-enumerated right that relates to gun-ownership?

The right to self defense.

 

[Nous]

Lol, good call bad word choice

Apparently no one can name any of these purported benefits of having guns in the house.

 

[Nous]

I'll repeat: I know of no court decision that has held that the increased risk of death and injury that guns in the home create is justified by any constitutional provision. The lack of justification of such risk is precisely why trigger-lock/safe-storage laws have been enacted and upheld.

And why would they, the concept behind such a law is that it is narrowly tailored.

Have you read any of the decisions upholding the trigger-lock/safe-storage laws? None upheld these laws under a strict scrutiny standard, did they?

In what way do you claim these laws are "narrowly tailored"?

 

[Nous]

The right to self defense.

That's the one that Scalia concocted in 2008. Obviously there was no "ancient right" to possess handguns in the home for purposes of self-defense at the time the amendment was ratified. This is how we know the decision is incorrect. And it is quite likely that at some point there will be 5 justices on the Court who will recognize the incorrectness and irrationality of Heller.

 

[Jake1001]

Unfortunately where America is at banning guns would give too much power to those with illegal guns. But, even still, a complete overhaul of our system that includes very strict and tight regulations is needed and ideal.

There are free countries that do not have guns.

An armed populace would only prevent a police state only if those running the state are idiots and entirely incompetent at running a state. You can even have guns, and still face your state becoming a police state,such as the transformations we are seeing happening in America.

Have you heard of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising ?

 

[Curious George]

That's the one that Scalia concocted in 2008. Obviously there was no "ancient right" to possess handguns in the home for purposes of self-defense at the time the amendment was ratified. This is how we know the decision is incorrect. And it is quite likely that at some point there will be 5 justices on the Court who will recognize the incorrectness and irrationality of Heller.

there was no right to self defense when the amendment was ratified??

 

[Curious George]

Have you read any of the decisions upholding the trigger-lock/safe-storage laws? None upheld these laws under a strict scrutiny standard, did they?

In what way do you claim these laws are "narrowly tailored"?

did they get to strict scrutiny which would have applied?
Is there not a two step question process? That the law is constructed such that it doesn't burden the second amendment (according to the cases) is enough.

 

[Curious George]

Apparently no one can name any of these purported benefits of having guns in the house.

self defense
entertainment
ease of access for hunting
ease of access for maintenance
investment
psychological benefit

that should suffice

 

[Ingledsva]

All of these are snippets. Have you read any of the complete documents in which they occur? Notice that none of them mention anything about a right to possess handguns in the home in case of an intruder.

That would be implied by the fact that they say we individuals can keep weapons.

Obviously - people of that time would be hunting, and protecting themselves with their personal weapons.

And the occasional duel.

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[Ingledsva]

self defense
entertainment
ease of access for hunting
ease of access for maintenance
investment
psychological benefit

that should suffice

Yep, and this Alaskan has used most of those - including self defense.

I didn't have to shoot. When they saw the gun they turned and ran.

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[Ingledsva]

A great many of the victims of household gun deaths are children. Did they accept that risk?

According to data collected by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), an average of 62 children aged 14 and under die each year in the United States as the result of unintentional shootings. https://www.minnpost.com/second-opi...n-killed-accidental-shootings-you-might-think

• "Drowning is the second leading cause of accidental injury-related death among children ages 1 to 14.

• Drowning is the leading cause of accidental injury-related death among children ages 1 to 4.

• Among children ages 1 to 4 years, most drownings occur in residential swimming pools.

• More than half of drownings among infants (under age 1) occur in bathtubs, buckets or toilets.

• There were approximately 283 drowning deaths for children 5 and under per year between 2005 and 2007 and 2,100 children were taken to the ER for submersion-related injuries. https://www.edgarsnyder.com/swimming-pool/swimming-pool-statistics.html

And note those 283 pool deaths are for children 5 and under, - while the 62 accidental gun deaths is counting children 14 and under.

Shame on those people with pools - not thinking about their vulnerable children! Lets ban pools!

And buckets? And toilets? Ban that dangerous crap!

And don't get me started on those irresponsible parents that purposely put their children in cars! Ban them!



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[Ingledsva]

Apparently no one can name any of these purported benefits of having guns in the house.

Pick up an NRA magazine, American Riflemen, etc.

Every issue has a page of people that saved themselves, or their families, with their personal guns.

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[Thanda]

So you want your handgun just in case the government, with its tanks and rockets and jets and bombers and ..., gets out of hand. Got it

Except "tanks and rockets and jets and bombers" didn't help them much in the Vietnam war.

 

[leibowde84]

Why not?

There are already 300 million guns in circulation in the US. Also, the NRA has politicians and lobbyists in their pocket.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Unfortunately where America is at banning guns would give too much power to those with illegal guns. But, even still, a complete overhaul of our system that includes very strict and tight regulations is needed and ideal.

There are free countries that do not have guns.

An armed populace would only prevent a police state only if those running the state are idiots and entirely incompetent at running a state. You can even have guns, and still face your state becoming a police state,such as the transformations we are seeing happening in America.

I don't feel that those countries count, because first they have only been gun-less for a short time. Also those 'Free countries' that 'Do not have guns' rely heavily upon the USA economically and militarily and upon the goodwill of other free countries. They are thinking too short term in banning guns.

 

[Father Heathen]

I love it when fresh, original threads like this pop up, especially when the participants approach and examine the subject objectively and analytically, and then through rational discourse, gain a fresh perspective and clearer understanding.

 

[Revoltingest]

....the NRA has politicians and lobbyists in their pocket.

We wish!
But no, it's a continual major effort to keep our 2nd Amendment rights.
Most of our allies don't even belong to the NRA.