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Respect to Women in the US

Matemkar

Active Member
[...]

I am not after finding newspaper clippings. But it was yesterday or the day before yesterday that I found something in a newspaper. I found it to be a very important writing. I have brought it to this meeting to read it for you. A book written by Jimmy Carter – the former president of America – has been published which is named “A Call to Action: Women, Religion, Violence, And Power”. Jimmy Carter says in this book, “Every year, 100,000 girls are sold as slaves in America where the owner of a brothel can buy girls – who are usually Latin American or African – at only 1000 dollars”.

He also refers to the rapes which occur in colleges where only one case out of 25 cases is reported. He goes on to say that only one percent of rapists are put to trial in the army. One cries when one reads such things. We can see many such writings in newspapers. I see such writings as well, but I never base my opinions on them. However, these are realities.

Jimmy Carter is a well-known personality after all and this is his book. What kind of situation is this? What kind of respect – towards women – is this?

[...]

Source: sayyidali.com

The whole speech can be found here:

the Speech of the Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution, Imam Ali Khamenei, in Meeting with Outstanding Women 19/04/2014
 
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dust1n

Zindīq
[...]

I am not after finding newspaper clippings. But it was yesterday or the day before yesterday that I found something in a newspaper. I found it to be a very important writing. I have brought it to this meeting to read it for you. A book written by Jimmy Carter – the former president of America – has been published which is named “A Call to Action: Women, Religion, Violence, And Power”. Jimmy Carter says in this book, “Every year, 100,000 girls are sold as slaves in America where the owner of a brothel can buy girls – who are usually Latin American or African – at only 1000 dollars”.

He also refers to the rapes which occur in colleges where only one case out of 25 cases is reported. He goes on to say that only one percent of rapists are put to trial in the army. One cries when one reads such things. We can see many such writings in newspapers. I see such writings as well, but I never base my opinions on them. However, these are realities.

Jimmy Carter is a well-known personality after all and this is his book. What kind of situation is this? What kind of respect – towards women – is this?

[...]

Source: sayyidali.com

The whole speech can be found here:

the Speech of the Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution, Imam Ali Khamenei, in Meeting with Outstanding Women 19/04/2014

Mmmhmm, I like Jimmy Carter. Favorite president of all human history.

But this sort of thing is nothing new, and has pretty much been in all human history throughout all populations, so it's not shocking. But it should change, nonetheless.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Then again, in the Muslim world even reporting that you have been raped can lead to grave consequences. Frankly, the stigmatization in Canada and the US is bad enough, but most other areas on the planet lag far, far, far behind us. At least here, a person will not be prosecuted for being raped.
 

Wirey

Fartist
Then again, in the Muslim world even reporting that you have been raped can lead to grave consequences. Frankly, the stigmatization in Canada and the US is bad enough, but most other areas on the planet lag far, far, far behind us. At least here, a person will not be prosecuted for being raped.

True dat.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Then again, in the Muslim world even reporting that you have been raped can lead to grave consequences. Frankly, the stigmatization in Canada and the US is bad enough, but most other areas on the planet lag far, far, far behind us. At least here, a person will not be prosecuted for being raped.

Agreed.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
Then again, in the Muslim world even reporting that you have been raped can lead to grave consequences. Frankly, the stigmatization in Canada and the US is bad enough, but most other areas on the planet lag far, far, far behind us. At least here, a person will not be prosecuted for being raped.

Yup. Pretty much this. I'm also starting to hear this outlandish, radical talk in the west of actually teaching young men not to rape instead of teaching young women how to (probably) not get raped. Sounds crazy, but it's actually happening.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Yup. Pretty much this. I'm also starting to hear this outlandish, radical talk in the west of actually teaching young men not to rape instead of teaching young women how to (probably) not get raped. Sounds crazy, but it's actually happening.
WHAT? Teaching young men to have some self control. OMG OMG.... The end is nigh. The end is nigh.

Then again, I'm from the school of thought that say whenever someone says "No" or "Stop" proceeding is entering the realm of the criminal.
 
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Alceste

Vagabond
WHAT? Teaching young men to have some self control. OMG OMG.... The end is nigh. The end is nigh.

Then again, I'm from the school of thought that say whenever someone says "No" or "Stop" proceeding is entering the realm of the criminal.

As am I, and all non-rapists. :D

Have you heard about California's "yes means yes" bill? That goes even further - now not only do you have to be careful not to inadvertently hump somebody who is pushing you away, crying, scratching at you and saying no, the person you hump actually has to be consciously providing ongoing, unambiguous positive consent. What will they think of next!

MRAs are already screaming bloody murder about it. That means it MUST be good.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
I want to know where I can buy one of these girls for 1000 bucks. I could really use a house slave.

Am I being told I could have purchased 65 minor women instead of car and traveled via throne on multiple backs style?

But OBAMA has to go and ruin the free market with enforcing of legislation.
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
Am I being told I could have purchased 65 minor women instead of car and traveled via throne on multiple backs style?

But OBAMA has to go and ruin the free market with enforcing of legislation.

It is a lot tougher these days to live like a megalomaniacal tyrant and force thousands of slaves to build monuments to you while they die like flies. Friggin' Obama.
 

Matemkar

Active Member
Then again, in the Muslim world even reporting that you have been raped can lead to grave consequences.

I understand you, sadly. But I really don't approve the rules of the "Muslim world" except Iran. And in Iran the rapist is punished (hanged) and not the raped.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
I understand you, sadly. But I really don't approve the rules of the "Muslim world" except Iran. And in Iran the rapist is punished (hanged) and not the raped.
Women in Iran Deem Rape Laws Unfair* By Shadi Sadr

In Iran, if a woman is raped, she is considered an adulteress and
faces death by stoning. But if a woman fights off a sexual predator
and kills him, she can then be tried for murder and face death by
hanging.

If a man is proven to have raped a woman, his punishment is
execution by hanging. But in almost all cases, the man is set free
because judges traditionally look for signs in the behavior and
clothing of the woman in order to explain away the act of rape. A
Persian-language proverb goes like this: "It is the tree that hosts
the worm," meaning rape is caused by women and their suggestive
behavior.

The penal code, which is based on Iranian interpretations of Islamic
law, states that if a woman injures or kills a rapist in self-
defense, she will not be prosecuted. But proving self-defense is
very difficult. The woman must demonstrate that her defense was
equal to the danger she faced. Additionally, she must prove
inflicting harm was her the last resort in escaping rape. According
to press reports, in the last year one woman successfully argued
self-defense while being tried for murdering an alleged rapist.

The Iranian government does not publish prison records, and there
are no official statistics about the number of women who have been
sentenced to death by stoning for rape. In 2002, the press reported
four cases, but it is generally believed the number is higher.
 

Matemkar

Active Member
The article is just BS with no single truth. The punishment for adulterer/adultress is not death in Islam/Iran unless he/she is married and people witnessed the willing treason. And the witnesses can tell the difference between a willing adultery and a rape. Thus, there is no way a raped person can be punished. The rapist is. You can just google videos of rapist men executed/hanged in Iran. I am not into such things. But once I saw a related thing: http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235020888-convict-beaten-before-execution-in-iran/
 
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Alceste

Vagabond
The article is just BS with no single truth. The punishment for adulterer/adultress is not death in Islam/Iran unless he/she is married and people witnessed the willing treason. And the witnesses can tell the difference between a willing adultery and a rape. Thus, there is no way a raped person can be punished. The rapist is. You can just google videos of rapist men executed/hanged in Iran. I am not into such things. But once I saw a related thing: Convict Beaten Before Execution In Iran - Potential of an Iran War and a Strategic Analysis - ShiaChat.com


BBC NEWS | Programmes | Execution of a teenage girl
Soon after her release, Atefah became involved in an abusive relationship with a man three times her age.
Former revolutionary guard, 51-year-old Ali Darabi - a married man with children - raped her several times.
She kept the relationship a secret from both her family and the authorities.
Atefah was soon caught in a downward spiral of arrest and abuse.

...
When Atefah realised her case was hopeless, she shouted back at the judge and threw off her veil in protest.
It was a fatal outburst.
She was sentenced to execution by hanging, while Darabi got just 95 lashes.


Eight women and a man face stoning in Iran for adultery | World news | The Guardian

Nine people in Iran - eight women and one man - have been sentenced to death by stoning after being convicted of adultery in verdicts lawyers blame on a resurgence of hardline Islamic fundamentalism.
The sentences have been imposed in courts across the country despite a supposed moratorium on the punishment, which Iran says is justified under sharia law.
...
One woman, Kobra Najar, an ethnic Kurd, is said to have been condemned after being forced by her husband into prostitution. After she divorced him, he forced their daughter to sell her body.

...

"These women mostly come from the illiterate masses and did not have money or access to a lawyer. Many did not understand Farsi and, of course, all the interrogations were in Farsi," Shadi Sadr, a prominent Iranian human rights lawyer, told the Guardian. "In all of the cases, there has been violence against them, or they have been forced into marriages, or their divorce applications have been refused. In some cases, they couldn't apply for a divorce due to family pressures."


Rape: Iran's weapon against Arab women ~ Ahwaz News Agency


According to credible reports received by the British Ahwazi Friendship Society (BAFS) and its Danish sister organisation, the Dansk Ahwazi Venskabsforening (DAVF), two young Ahwazi Arab women were gang raped by four members of the Hefazat-e Etelaat-e Sepah Pasdaran, the intelligence service of the Revolutionary Guards that answers directly to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei.​

The women are aged 25 and 26 years old and were raped at a Revolutionary Guards prison in Charshir district of Ahwaz City on 1 September. They had been arrested in an ongoing campaign by the regime against Arab cultural and political activists. One of the women was previously raped in 2006. The rapes were filmed by the intelligence services to blackmail the women's families into silence and to humiliate them in order to break them psychologically.​


You know what they say about people who live in glass houses?
 
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