Return of The Word?

[Eddi]

This is aimed primarily at Christians but anyone may respond

I've been doing some thinking that I'd like to share and discuss:

So, Jesus is The Word and The Word is God......

John 1:1

John 1:14

Alongside The Holy Spirit, The Word has been how God has historically interacted with humankind

(The Father represents the aspect of God that is distant and detached from humankind)

Jesus is how The Word became incarnate

He was a fleshy vessel

A "meat suit"

Inhabited by The Word

He was the means by which The Word became human:

Jesus's humanity was the means by which The Word came to interact with humans

It is said that Jesus will return

However, I've had an idea:

I don't think he will return as Jesus of Nazareth

I think he will return as The Word

Not 100% God and 100% man

But just 100% God

But yes, he may appear in the form of Jesus of Nazareth as that is what people will be expecting and I think he will most likely identify himself as "The Son" or as "Lord" - so we can know who he is

But as an avatar, rather than an incarnation (think Docetism)

For instance, I believe he will need to be able to appear at numerous locations simultaneously

He would need some kind of physical presence in order to interact with humans however that physical form could be a supernatural apparition rather than a biological human body that can bleed and be killed

Basically, I believe that whereas the first time round Jesus was 100% human, second time round he won't be

Not necessarily 0%, but less human than the first time round!

However, I think The Word would most likely present himself to humankind as Jesus Christ as that is how we know him and think of him

For instance, isn't he supposed to have a 1,000 year reign?

In order for that to happen he would need to not age!

Therefore he would have to have an unreal presence in this world!

Here's another thing: Jesus was a first-century joiner who spoke Aramaic

He has missed out on around 2,000 years worth of human progress

There is no way a first-century joiner would be able to absorb all this - unless he wasn't human!

I doubt that Jesus of Nazareth the man would be able to be up to date with all that's happened since his original time on Earth however I think this would be an effortless task for The Word

...who would not be constrained by the limitations of the human brain

Basically: When The Word returns will he come as a human as he did the first time round?

Personally, I think that when he returns we will see more of the divine side of Christ and that when he came the first time round we saw more of his human side

I think that next time round we will be able to see him and interact with him and that he would have a certain appearance

However, I don't think he will come to us as a human when he returns!

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I've been doing some thinking that I'd like to share and discuss:
So, Jesus is The Word and The Word is God......
John 1:1
John 1:14

Alongside The Holy Spirit, The Word has been how God has historically interacted with humankind

(The Father represents the aspect of God that is distant and detached from humankind)

Jesus is how The Word became incarnate

He was a fleshy vessel

A "meat suit"

Inhabited by The Word

He was the means by which The Word became human:

Jesus's humanity was the means by which The Word came to interact with humans

It is said that Jesus will return

However, I've had an idea:

I don't think he will return as Jesus of Nazareth

I think he will return as The Word

Not 100% God and 100% man

But just 100% God

But yes, he may appear in the form of Jesus of Nazareth as that is what people will be expecting and I think he will most likely identify himself as "The Son" or as "Lord" - so we can know who he is

But as an avatar, rather than an incarnation (think Docetism)

For instance, I believe he will need to be able to appear at numerous locations simultaneously

He would need some kind of physical presence in order to interact with humans however that physical form could be a supernatural apparition rather than a biological human body that can bleed and be killed

Basically, I believe that whereas the first time round Jesus was 100% human, second time round he won't be
Not necessarily 0%, but less human than the first time round!
However, I think The Word would most likely present himself to humankind as Jesus Christ as that is how we know him and think of him
For instance, isn't he supposed to have a 1,000 year reign?
In order for that to happen he would need to not age!
Therefore he would have to have an unreal presence in this world!
Here's another thing: Jesus was a first-century joiner who spoke Aramaic
He has missed out on around 2,000 years worth of human progress
There is no way a first-century joiner would be able to absorb all this - unless he wasn't human!
I doubt that Jesus of Nazareth the man would be able to be up to date with all that's happened since his original time on Earth however I think this would be an effortless task for The Word
...who would not be constrained by the limitations of the human brain
Basically: When The Word returns will he come as a human as he did the first time round?
Personally, I think that when he returns we will see more of the divine side of Christ and that when he came the first time round we saw more of his human side
I think that next time round we will be able to see him and interact with him and that he would have a certain appearance
However, I don't think he will come to us as a human when he returns!

I think we all know originally the Gospel was not written in English.
When the King James translated John 1 there is No letter 'a' inserted before God.
However, at Acts of the Apostles 28:6 B the letter 'a' is inserted even though the same Greek grammar rule applies in both verses.
Plus, Psalms 90:2 informs us that God is from everlasting (No beginning for God)
Whereas, at John 1 it says about pre-human heavenly Jesus that he was "IN" the beginning.
Thus, Jesus was Not 'before' the beginning as his God was. - Revelation 3:14 B

 

[Eddi]

I think we all know originally the Gospel was not written in English.
When the King James translated John 1 there is No letter 'a' inserted before God.
However, at Acts of the Apostles 28:6 B the letter 'a' is inserted even though the same Greek grammar rule applies in both verses.
Plus, Psalms 90:2 informs us that God is from everlasting (No beginning for God)
Whereas, at John 1 it says about pre-human heavenly Jesus that he was "IN" the beginning.
Thus, Jesus was Not 'before' the beginning as his God was. - Revelation 3:14 B

I take it you're a Jehovah's Witness?

I'm not going to waste time and energy arguing against your claims

I remember there is an idea that the amount of effort required to refute nonsense is much greater than the amount required to produce nonsense

I think that applies here

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

I take it you're a Jehovah's Witness?

I'm not going to waste time and energy arguing against your claims

I remember there is an idea that the amount of effort required to refute nonsense is much greater than the amount required to produce nonsense

I think that applies here

Who gets to decide what is nonsense? There are probably many people who would think your ideas are nonsense and not worth wasting time on. Anyone who wants to honestly debate something must be willing to look at opinions that they may not agree with. Apparently you do not.

 

[Eddi]

Who gets to decide what is nonsense? There are probably many people who would think your ideas are nonsense and not worth wasting time on. Anyone who wants to honestly debate something must be willing to look at opinions that they may not agree with. Apparently you do not.

I've heard it all before, that's the thing.....

And I think it's silly

And I'd be totally cool with people thinking I spout nonsense and no doubt some do

And I don't think the user I was responding to wants honest debate, at least not in this instance

He/she posted a load of claims that had little to do with the OP that seem to be have motivated by a desire to debunk Christianity

 

[shunyadragon]

I take it you're a Jehovah's Witness?

I'm not going to waste time and energy arguing against your claims

I remember there is an idea that the amount of effort required to refute nonsense is much greater than the amount required to produce nonsense

I think that applies here

Regardless of the religious beliefs there was a point that needs to addressed. It is true JW holds a weak theological position concerning the interpretation of the Bible, but this true of all the various diverse conflicting views in Christianity,

I believe that what is called the 'Word' in reference to Jesus Christ is too ambiguous to lead to only one interpretation.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Regardless of the religious beliefs there was a point that needs to addressed. It is true JW holds a weak theological position concerning the interpretation of the Bible, but this true of all the various diverse conflicting views in Christianity,

I believe that what is called the 'Word' in reference to Jesus Christ is too ambiguous to lead to only one interpretation.

And I am sure the JW's think Bahai have a weak position on interpretation.

 

[shunyadragon]

And I am sure the JW's think Bahai have a weak position on interpretation.

Yes, of course they do, but the Baha'i Faith does not make the specific literal interpretation of ancient scripture, and allows for the volving constantly changing human view of God in a universal perspective that akes into consideration the whole spiritual history of humanity. Also the principle of the harmony of science and religion that believes in the constantly changing knowledge of science without conflict with religion. The Baha'i acknowledges change and evolving spiritual knowledge of humanity with a more universal perspective,

Allowing for change from the human perspective of God, Revelation and science makes the Baha'i Faith more relevant that the limited perspective of ancient religions. Interpretqations become more flexible and not static over time.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Yes, of course they do, but the Baha'i Faith does not make the specific literal interpretation of ancient scripture, and allows for the volving constantly changing human view of God in a universal perspective that akes into consideration the whole spiritual history of humanity. Also the principle of the harmony of science and religion that believes in the constantly changing knowledge of science without conflict with religion. The Baha'i acknowledges change and evolving spiritual knowledge of humanity with a more universal perspective,

Allowing for change from the human perspective of God, Revelation and science makes the Baha'i Faith more relevant that the limited perspective of ancient religions. Interpretqations become more flexible and not static over time.

God says He never changes so maybe interpretation should not change.

 

[shunyadragon]

God says He never changes so maybe interpretation should not change.

Then why are there thousands of different and conflicting interpretations by fallible humans?

God can of course not change, but humans are no longer using stone weapons tools, and making sacrifices of humans as described in ancient scripture including the Bible.

The 'Word' changed from the OT to the NT.

 

[Brian2]

This is aimed primarily at Christians but anyone may respond

I've been doing some thinking that I'd like to share and discuss:

So, Jesus is The Word and The Word is God......

John 1:1

John 1:14

Alongside The Holy Spirit, The Word has been how God has historically interacted with humankind

(The Father represents the aspect of God that is distant and detached from humankind)

Jesus is how The Word became incarnate

He was a fleshy vessel

A "meat suit"

Inhabited by The Word

He was the means by which The Word became human:

Jesus's humanity was the means by which The Word came to interact with humans

It is said that Jesus will return

However, I've had an idea:

I don't think he will return as Jesus of Nazareth

I think he will return as The Word

Not 100% God and 100% man

But just 100% God

But yes, he may appear in the form of Jesus of Nazareth as that is what people will be expecting and I think he will most likely identify himself as "The Son" or as "Lord" - so we can know who he is

But as an avatar, rather than an incarnation (think Docetism)

For instance, I believe he will need to be able to appear at numerous locations simultaneously

He would need some kind of physical presence in order to interact with humans however that physical form could be a supernatural apparition rather than a biological human body that can bleed and be killed

Basically, I believe that whereas the first time round Jesus was 100% human, second time round he won't be

Not necessarily 0%, but less human than the first time round!

However, I think The Word would most likely present himself to humankind as Jesus Christ as that is how we know him and think of him

For instance, isn't he supposed to have a 1,000 year reign?

In order for that to happen he would need to not age!

Therefore he would have to have an unreal presence in this world!

Here's another thing: Jesus was a first-century joiner who spoke Aramaic

He has missed out on around 2,000 years worth of human progress

There is no way a first-century joiner would be able to absorb all this - unless he wasn't human!

I doubt that Jesus of Nazareth the man would be able to be up to date with all that's happened since his original time on Earth however I think this would be an effortless task for The Word

...who would not be constrained by the limitations of the human brain

Basically: When The Word returns will he come as a human as he did the first time round?

Personally, I think that when he returns we will see more of the divine side of Christ and that when he came the first time round we saw more of his human side

I think that next time round we will be able to see him and interact with him and that he would have a certain appearance

However, I don't think he will come to us as a human when he returns!

Gal 4:4 But when the time had fully come, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,

Jesus actually became a man. When He rose from the dead, He rose as a man with His resurrection body, which it seems is immortal and incorruptible. We don't know much about it but know we are going to have the same sort of body.
I suppose it is easy to see ourselves and Jesus as the spirit part that lives inside a body, and to an extent I guess that would be true, but in a real sense our bodies are part of us and we would not be complete without our bodies, we would be naked, our bodies clothe us as well as being functional.
For us, we might be limited to our bodies, our glorified resurrection bodies (more than a meat suite). For Jesus, He takes back the full divinity which He hid as a man on earth and He now fills all things, fills the universe.
Eph 4:10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.

I don't think Jesus is going to become just an invisible Spirit even though He is not just living as a man with a body. He Spirit continues to be in us and Christians are part of His body.
Eph 1:22And God put everything under His feet and made Him head over everything for the church, 23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

His Spirit fills the whole universe also. In a real sense Jesus is in the form of God (Phil 2) who is everywhere.
Jesus is one with His Father (He is in the Father and the Father is in Him) and we are one with Jesus (He is in us and we in Him) but whereas Jesus is divine, we are and remain human.

John 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

Jesus was both while on earth and remains both. We get to taste that divinity nature.
2 Peter 1: 4 Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

Jesus has stepped into creation, into humanity, and remains a human but that does not limit Him, as He is also 100% divine in nature.
Col 2:9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form.

And we should remember that Jesus also is in us and fill the universe, just as the Father is in us and fills the universe. But our unity is with Jesus the man and not with the Father. We have the Spirit of adoption and are the created children of God and born again.
I hope it makes sense.

 

[1213]

This is aimed primarily at Christians but anyone may respond

I've been doing some thinking that I'd like to share and discuss:

So, Jesus is The Word and The Word is God......

John 1:1

John 1:14
..

But it doesn't say Jesus is the word. I think it means the word came in Jesus on earth. As it is said, God dwells in Jesus.

Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I tell you, I speak not from myself; but the Father who lives in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me; or else believe me for the very works’ sake.
John 14:10-11

For in him all the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily
Col. 2:9

 

[paarsurrey]

" Return of The Word? "

Jesus is The Word and The Word is God......

John 1:1

John 1:14

The verses “John 1:1, John 1:14 ” referenced by one in one's post are not from (Jesus)- Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah, please:

Holy Bible King James Version (Red Letter Edition)
The Roman Catholic Holy Bible with the words of Jesus in red.
World Messianic Bible

Regards

 

[Ella S.]

You said non-Christians are free to reply so, as a Stoic, I believe the Word is already among us and reflected within each one of us. It never had the need to incarnate or become an avatar, because it works through us already.

So, yes, Jesus was a manifestation of the Word, but so am I and so are you, because we are all one with Nature. We could not exist apart from its Word.

 

[paarsurrey]

" Return of The Word? "

was both while on earth and remains both. We get to taste that divinity nature.
2 Peter 1: 4 Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

It is an incorrect basis to form a concept from an epistle which is not from Jesus/Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah, please, right?:

Holy Bible King James Version (Red Letter Edition)
The Roman Catholic Holy Bible with the words of Jesus in red.
World Messianic Bible
Right?

Regards

 

[Brian2]

" Return of The Word? "


It is an incorrect basis to form a concept from an epistle which is not from Jesus/Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah, please, right?:

Holy Bible King James Version (Red Letter Edition)
The Roman Catholic Holy Bible with the words of Jesus in red.
World Messianic Bible
Right?

Regards

No, it confirms what Jesus told us in various places.
Example John 14:23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

 

[paarsurrey]

" Return of The Word? "

was both while on earth and remains both. We get to taste that divinity nature.
2 Peter 1: 4 Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

paarsurrey: It is an incorrect basis to form a concept from an epistle which is not from Jesus/Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah, please, right?:

Holy Bible King James Version (Red Letter Edition)
The Roman Catholic Holy Bible with the words of Jesus in red.
World Messianic Bible
Right?

No, it confirms what Jesus told us in various places.
Example John 14:23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

Isn't said to be "John 14;23" a third person narrative of an anonymous narrative named after "John" for credulity purposes, please, right??

Regards

 

[Brian2]

" Return of The Word? "


paarsurrey: It is an incorrect basis to form a concept from an epistle which is not from Jesus/Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah, please, right?:

Holy Bible King James Version (Red Letter Edition)
The Roman Catholic Holy Bible with the words of Jesus in red.
World Messianic Bible
Right?


Isn't said to be "John 14;23" a third person narrative of an anonymous narrative named after "John" for credulity purposes, please, right??

Regards

It's a quote of what Jesus said.