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RETURNING TO SHIVA

Srivijaya

Active Member
One of the most profound texts I've ever read, just wanted to share it.

RETURNING TO SHIVA

The Sage Vasishtha said: The Goddess dances with her arms
outstretched, moving like a swaying forest of tall pines against the
empty sky.
She is the power of the intellect, ignorant of herself and ever
prone to action, continuing to dance about, bedecked with diverse
emblems and devices.

She is arrayed with all kinds of weapons in her thousand arms -
the bow and arrow, the spear and lance, the mace and club, the sword,
and all sorts of missiles. Conversant with all the elements of being
and non-being, she is engaged in every moment of passing time.
She contains the world in the vibration of her mind, as airy
cities and palaces are contained in the power of imagination. She
herself is that world, as the imagination itself is the utopian city.
She is the volition of Shiva, like the wind in the air. As the
air is still without its vibration, so Shiva is quiescent without his
volitional power.

This arupa volition becomes the rupa creation, just as the
formless sky produces the wind which vibrates into sound. Thus does
the will of Shiva bring forth the world out of itself.
When this volitional energy of Kali dances and plays within the
void of the Divine Mind, the world springs forth, as if by union of
the active will and the infinite field of that Supreme Mind.
Touched by the dark volitional power, the Supreme Soul of Shiva
is dissolved into the waters, just as submarine fire is extinguished
by its contact with the waters of the sea.
No sooner does this power come in contact with Shiva, the prime
cause of all, than it inclines and turns to assume the veil of nature
and its conversion to external forms.

Forsaking her boundless and elemental form, she takes upon
herself the gross and limited shapes of land and hills, and then
becomes the beautiful forms of forests and flowers.
In the great round she rebecomes the formless void, and again is
one with the infinite vacuum of Shiva, just as a river with all its
impetuous speed enters into the immensity of the sea.
She becomes as one with Shiva by giving up her identity as an
aspect of Shiva. This feminine form of Shiva is merged back into
Shiva, the prime male, who is the form of the formless void and
perfect tranquillity.
Rama asked: Tell me, O Sage, how that sovereign Goddess Shiva
could obtain her quietude by coming into contact with the Supreme God
Shiva?

Vasishtha replied: Know, Rama, that the Goddess Shiva is the will
of the God Shiva. She is styled as nature and famed as the Great
Illusion of the world.
The great God is said to be the lord of nature and the prime
male. He is of the form of air and is represented as Shiva, calm and
quiet as the autumnal sky.
The great Goddess is the energy and will of the Intellect and is
ever active as force in motion. She abides in the world as its
nature, and roves about as the great delusion.

She ranges throughout the world as long as she is ignorant of her
lord, Shiva, who is ever serenely self-contained, without decay or
decrease, beginningless and endless, and without a second.
No sooner is this Goddess conscious of herself as one and the
same with the Lord of self-consciousness than she is joined with her
Lord Shiva and becomes one with him.
Nature touching Spirit forsakes her character as gross nature and
becomes one with the sole Unity, as a river is absorbed into the
sea.

The river falling into the ocean is no more the river but the
ocean. Its waters mingling with sea waters become the salt sea.
Just so, the mind cleaving to Shiva is united with him and finds
rest therein, as the blade is sharpened by its reduction upon the
stone.
The mind engrossed in its own nature forgets the Eternal Spirit
and must return again to this world, never attaining spiritual
felicity.

An honest man dwells amongst thieves only so long as he does not
know them as such. No sooner does he come to know them than he is
sure to shun their company and flee from the spot.
So too the mind dwells amongst unreal dualities as long as it is
ignorant of the transcendent One. But when it becomes aware of True
Unity, it is sure to be united with it.

When the ignorant mind comes to know the Supreme Bliss attendant
on the state of Nirvana, it is ready to resort to it, as the inland
stream runs to join the boundless sea.

The mind roams bewildered in its repeated births in this
tumultuous world so long as it does not find its ultimate felicity in
the Supreme, unto which it may fly like a bee to its honeycomb.
Who is there that would abandon Divine Wisdom, once having tasted
its bliss! Who would forsake the sweet, once having known its
flavour. Tell me, Rama, who would not run to sip the delicious nectar
which pacifies all our woes and pains, prevents our repeated births
and deaths, and puts an end to all our delusions in this darksome
world?

Yoga Vasishtha Maharamayana

RETURNING TO SHIVA
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Seems awfully convoluted. Why couldn't the author condense this into a few concise statements?
 

Srivijaya

Active Member
He could have done but I find each sentence loaded with meaning and it's beautifully written IMO.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Seems awfully convoluted. Why couldn't the author condense this into a few concise statements?
Because that's not what authors do? They celebrate words, they bask in artistic license, otherwise they wouldn't be authors. Besides I think indulgence is sort of the point. The author is enamored with Shiva and so seeks to extol Shiva's virtues as much as possible.
 

atanu

Member
Premium Member
Yoga Vasistha
Seems awfully convoluted. Why couldn't the author condense this into a few concise statements?

You are correct to some extent. The form of writing of Yoga Vashista is in contrast to the brevity of Upanishads and other sutras, which are terse to the point of unintelligible. Yoga Vashista however is not really about Shiva. It is about mAyA. About how there is nothing to grieve about in this world.

Yoga Vashista is like a mantra --it repeats the main theme through many stories. It is meant to be read one page at a time throughout the year.

Yoga Vashista came at a time to me when I was going through a nadir. Yoga Vasista was like a medicine which restored me.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
You're talking about poets.
Poets are authors, not all authors are poets though. The two interchange quite frequently in any case. Take someone like Oscar Wilde or Baudelaire. Both are authors who at best dabbled in a touch of poetry. But both practically swim in words they love them that much. Which I suppose was like the entire point of their artistic philosophy, but it's not like the Romantics were exactly short on words either. Or really any author for that matter.
 

ajay0

Well-Known Member
Seems awfully convoluted. Why couldn't the author condense this into a few concise statements?


Matter, energy, space , time and causation are the characterestics of Maya/Prakriti, which in turn is the manifestation of the Brahman/Shiva which is pure consciousness.


In each individual , it is either Maya or Shiva that predominates.


Maya is charecterised by body-consciousness or unconsciousness while Shiva is charecterised by Awareness.


Body-consciousness is sensitive to pleasures and pains, and consequently develops cravings and aversions , which form the ego, and which result in ignorance of one’s true nature of the Self and consequent misery. Worldly pleasures, due to the nature of saturation and impermanence, also fails to provide happiness of an everlasting kind.


Once the Self or Awareness with its bliss is known, interest in ephemeral pleasures will decrease. Till then , one is bound to enjoy and suffer in this world of fleeting sense-pleasures and impermanence, as like a leaf in a tornado.
 
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Shantanu

Well-Known Member
Matter, energy, space , time and causation are the characterestics of Maya/Prakriti, which in turn is the manifestation of the Brahman/Shiva which is pure consciousness.


In each individual , it is either Maya or Shiva that predominates.


Maya is charecterised by body-consciousness or unconsciousness while Shiva is charecterised by Awareness.


Body-consciousness is sensitive to pleasures and pains, and consequently develops cravings and aversions , which form the ego, and which result in ignorance of one’s true nature of the Self and consequent misery. Worldly pleasures, due to the nature of saturation and impermanence, also fails to provide happiness of an everlasting kind.


Once the Self or Awareness with its bliss is known, interest in ephemeral pleasures will decrease. Till then , one is bound to enjoy and suffer in this world of fleeting sense-pleasures and impermanence, as like a leaf in a tornado.
Ajay0, you have obviously given this a lot of thought. Tell me is your Shiva the personal God who one should worship in surrendering to to be able to benefit from greater Awareness?
 

ajay0

Well-Known Member
Ajay0, you have obviously given this a lot of thought. Tell me is your Shiva the personal God who one should worship in surrendering to to be able to benefit from greater Awareness?

Shiva as mentioned by me here is synonymous with Nirguna Brahman.

In terms of Bhakti Yoga, or yoga of devotion, Shiva is synonymous with Saguna Brahman. This is especially true with the Lingayats, Shaivites and Prajapita Brahmakumaris. Obviously, surrender to Shiva as Saguna Brahman with love and devotion, can develop greater awareness in oneself.

Bhakti yoga, can give the same benefits as karma yoga (yoga of action), or jnana yoga( yoga of intellect) or raja yoga( yoga of mysticism).
 

Shantanu

Well-Known Member
Shiva as mentioned by me here is synonymous with Nirguna Brahman.

In terms of Bhakti Yoga, or yoga of devotion, Shiva is synonymous with Saguna Brahman. This is especially true with the Lingayats, Shaivites and Prajapita Brahmakumaris. Obviously, surrender to Shiva as Saguna Brahman with love and devotion, can develop greater awareness in oneself.

Bhakti yoga, can give the same benefits as karma yoga (yoga of action), or jnana yoga( yoga of intellect) or raja yoga( yoga of mysticism).
Does Sri Krishna fit into this scheme in any way?
 

ajay0

Well-Known Member
Does Sri Krishna fit into this scheme in any way?

Some see Saguna Brahman as Shiva, some as Krishna, some as Divine Mother, some as Ganapati, some as Jesus Christ, some as Jehovah, some as Allah , some as Baha, some as Waheguru, the list goes on...

You are free to choose any of them though I do hope that none would engage in conflict or indulge in superstitious behavior or practices in their name which may harm themselves or others.
 

Shantanu

Well-Known Member
Some see Saguna Brahman as Shiva, some as Krishna, some as Divine Mother, some as Ganapati, some as Jesus Christ, some as Jehovah, some as Allah , some as Baha, some as Waheguru, the list goes on...

You are free to choose any of them though I do hope that none would engage in conflict or indulge in superstitious behavior or practices in their name which may harm themselves or others.
One cannot leave anything to hope. The conception has to be full proof and explain everything. There has thereofore to be a rationalisation of good and evil in terms of consciousness.
 

ajay0

Well-Known Member
One cannot leave anything to hope. The conception has to be full proof and explain everything. There has thereofore to be a rationalisation of good and evil in terms of consciousness.

Evil is seeing relative good and evil, and good is going beyond both. - Krishna ( Uddhava Gita)
 

Shantanu

Well-Known Member
Evil is seeing relative good and evil, and good is going beyond both. - Krishna ( Uddhava Gita)
Evil is tamasic; Good is sattvic; and Routinal is rajasic; all gunas that derive from Brahman as guna consciousness.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
You are free to choose any of them though I do hope that none would engage in conflict or indulge in superstitious behavior or practices in their name which may harm themselves or others.

But who gets to decide what's superstitious? Anti-theists think theism is silly superstition, and harmful.
 

ajay0

Well-Known Member
Evil is tamasic; Good is sattvic; and Routinal is rajasic; all gunas that derive from Brahman as guna consciousness.

Tamas helps in sleeping which regenerates the body after a day of hard work. Manure and rotting plant material, considered as tamasic, are the food which plants use to grow and provide the world with food.

Sattva is also considered as guna of bondage by Krishna due to attachments for knowledge and happiness, which prevents yoga.

All the gunas are derived from Prakriti.
 
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