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Revelation or Psychosis?

PureX

Veteran Member
I think growing up in a cult really messed up my thinking patterns, hence the black and white, truth and lie views, and my perspective that reality is cold.
That may very well be. But you are clearly quite intelligent, and so just imagine the freedom you will feel when you can recognize that, and finally let go of that ingrained need/fear to be 'right'. To "believe" without any doubt. (Sometimes that takes a little bit of practice, though.)

I was raised Catholic, but had an "experience" of God when I was very young, and so the religiosity of Catholicism never really found a home in me. The God I experienced was not a religious God. It was just intense, unqualified, overwhelming love. So the scary Bible stories were just stories to me. I didn't associate them with God in any real sense. That experience of God (or whatever it was) seemed to have immunized me to religion.

Later in life I discovered Taoism (the philosophy, not the religion) and it was like breathing cool fresh air for the fist time. As Taoist philosophy is based on the human condition of our NOT knowing. And on our not trying to 'know'. But instead on humbly aligning ourselves with the ebb and flow of existence. This can include deism of whatever sort if we feel so inclined, but Taoism neither promotes it nor negates it. Taoism just accepts it as part of the "way of man". (Tao means "way".)
There was one way that was truth, and everything else was false and evil. The cult said: Do x and you have hope and safety.
Yes, and I assume that came with a lot of threats and punishments, creating a lot of fear if you "get it wrong". But the truth of life is that we humans get things wrong all the time. How could it be otherwise when there is so much we don't know? And so what we need is not fear, or pretend certainty, but 'slack', and forgiveness. For ourselves and for everyone. Or at least it seems that way to me.
The cult said 'the world is meaningless'. Their favorite scripture was:

15Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

So I've grown up feeling that way, but after discovering the lies I abandoned all religion in search of certainty, but now that 'world' is all I have.
The 'world' is a whole lot of stuff. Good, bad, and everything in between. If I were looking for God, I would look for God 'in the world', mostly because that's where I would need God the most. And If I were looking for God, I'd only look for a loving, forgiving, kind God. Because why would I want to find God at all if God weren't that way?

So I would look for God in my fellow humans. Because THEY are loving, forgiving, kind, generous, honest, and helpful ... at least some of them are, some of the time. And so when I see this in them, I wonder to myself; "am I seeing God right now?" And the answer is I don't know, but it IS possible, and I can choose to hope in that. And to trust in that hope. And try to live by it.

No religion, no belief, just a little faith in a God of my own understanding.
 
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Koldo

Outstanding Member
I think its ten to fifteen years, not sure. But some ways of thinking are so ingrained. For example, we used to use a certain name for god, and uncertainty about the name is one of the reasons I started to doubt, but even now if something terrible or frightening happens, I find myself praying in the moment using that name. Its like its not planned, but a neurological thinking pattern and i default to that. And I still feel guilt toward that god and my family even after all these years, well knowing I did the right thing by leaving the lies and abuse.

Have you, since then, seen a psychologist?
I have and it felt great to have someone to talk to and willing to help me out with my struggles. It was tiresome, but worth it. I definitely think it could considerably improve your life. And I genuinely think this is way more important than figuring out whether you had a legit supernatural experience.
 
So I would look for God in my fellow humans. Because THEY are loving, forgiving, kind, generous, honest, and helpful ... at least some of them are, some of the time. And so when I see this in them, I wonder to myself; "am I seeing God right now?" And the answer is I don't know, but it IS possible, and I can choose to hope in that. And to trust in that hope. And try to live by it.
Interestingly my dream explained the resurrection of Christ in a similar way. He said that every time someone expresses selflessness and love, he lives, because that is what his life represented.
 
Have you, since then, seen a psychologist?
I have and it felt great to have someone to talk to and willing to help me out with my struggles. It was tiresome, but worth it. I definitely think it could considerably improve your life. And I genuinely think this is way more important than figuring out whether you had a legit supernatural experience.
I have seen a psychologist, and they helped me out of a very dark hole in the aftermath. That's why I know about thinking patterns etc. Compared to those days I am doing great. Maybe I need to do the therapy again...
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Interestingly my dream explained the resurrection of Christ in a similar way. He said that every time someone expresses selflessness and love, he lives, because that is what his life represented.
That's sounds like the wisdom of truth, to me. I would take it at it's word until convinced otherwise. Mostly because I find it both wise and hopeful. ;)
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
I have seen a psychologist, and they helped me out of a very dark hole in the aftermath. That's why I know about thinking patterns etc. Compared to those days I am doing great. Maybe I need to do the therapy again...

You definitely should. Regardless of whether you believe in God, or gods, it is a mental health problem to think that life is meaningless if God/gods don't exist, because that entails making using of religion as a tool to fend off a depression that hasn't been properly dealt with.
 

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
I recently had a dream while sleeping where my deceased mother spoke audible words to me. I actually heard the words and then I awoke to remember the whole thing. I could not see her, but the hearing was so real. Yet when I woke up I could make a distinction between what I heard and actual reality.

Funny thing is while dreaming I didn't expect my mother to be in it. It was out of nowhere.

I suppose I could buy into the experience, but something tells me that honestly I wouldn't know absolutely anything for sure about it. It's as easy to dismiss it as it is to accept it. That I had this experience was a total shock to me because I've never had vivid ultra realistic dreams before.
 
You definitely should. Regardless of whether you believe in God, or gods, it is a mental health problem to think that life is meaningless if God/gods don't exist, because that entails making using of religion as a tool to fend off a depression that hasn't been properly dealt with.
I am a mess and broken, but I'm not self destructive or dysfunctional, or a danger to others. Though having episodes borders on dysfunction, I guess and is a reason I would consider therapy again. I don't agree that thinking life is meaningless without god is a mental health problem though. Many people believe life is objectively meaningless, make peace with it and are perfectly fine. Maybe I have a future in existential nihilism, the transition from deeply ingrained faith based meaning is just a bit challenging :)
 
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sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I wish it was divine with all my heart, that's why I cried during the episode. I need a God. Maybe it's my personality or childhood conditioning, I'm not sure. My heart feels it was an answer.
You had a deeply meaningful experience. The meaning can take time to reveal itself fully.
If I seek proof, and God functions outside reality, how wil I ever hear him?
I guess I grew up trying to please god, and those thought patterns are ingrained. If my experience yesterday was similar to that of Daniel, God might be saying that I am greatly beloved, and that would mean my existence has meaning.
Interestingly my dream explained the resurrection of Christ in a similar way. He said that every time someone expresses selflessness and love, he lives, because that is what his life represented.

There's one thing that occurs to me and that is the question of certainty. I don't know if you are familiar with the great sufi, Hafiz. One of his poems was rendered including this:

Come, join the courageous​
Who have no choice​
But to bet their entire world​
That indeed,​
Indeed, God is Real.​
Some of us but of course not all reached the point where our experiences and the full use of our intellect led us to make the "bet" that God is real and that our lives have meaning. And then the hard work of walking a spiritual path began.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I am a mess and broken, but I'm not self destructive or dysfunctional, or a danger to others. Though having episodes borders on dysfunction, I guess and is a reason I would consider therapy again. I don't agree that thinking life is meaningless without god is a mental health problem though. Many people believe life is objectively meaningless, make peace with it and are perfectly fine. Maybe I have a future in existential nihilism, the transition from deeply ingrained faith based meaning is just a bit challenging :)
There are therapists who have a spiritual orientation if that appeals to you.
 

Spice

StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
I agree that you should relax. I believe God comes to us, as needed, if we let down all the walls and barriers built by "religion". That doesn't mean to shun all variations of religion, just RELAX their importance and let God determine what is important. It's probably different fir each of us. That's building the personal relationship.

I believe in prayer -- just casually talking to God in my head, or aloud -- throughout the day, but simply: "Well done! Beautiful sky."..."And NOW what am I suppose to do? Uh?"...But not lamenting! That's not for "me."

And I believe even more in meditation -- quiet time, preferably in nature, letting Him come to me in sleath. A great deal of peace, provided by connection to God IMO, has come to me sitting on my porch listening to the birds, feeling the breeze, and even talking to a wasp every now and then..."You don't belong up here, now. This is my space. Look around if you'd like and move on." It may sound wacky, but it's sooo peaceful and it has helped me lose my fears.

There's a saying from years back that helped me a great deal and in many instances:
LET GO AND LET GOD.

Namaste
 

vulcanlogician

Well-Known Member
Am I becoming schizophrenic?
Is God talking to me?
Should I see a priest or a psychologist?

Maybe you should write or do some other creative activity. It worked for Philip K. Dick.



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Koldo

Outstanding Member
I am a mess and broken, but I'm not self destructive or dysfunctional, or a danger to others. Though having episodes borders on dysfunction, I guess and is a reason I would consider therapy again.

If you are a mess and broken, that already justifies seeking therapy. You don't have to be self-destructive or dysfunctional to seek it.

I don't agree that thinking life is meaningless without god is a mental health problem though. Many people believe life is objectively meaningless, make peace with it and are perfectly fine.

It is one thing to hold there is no objective meaning to life, and yet another to hold that there is no meaning to life at all. It is the latter that I am calling mentally unhealthy.
 

Spice

StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
No religion, no belief, just a little faith in a God of my own understanding.
That's my "religion" in a nut shell, other than I have beliefs in the blender.

I find definition and instruction from many, many sources and do the one thing most established religions absolutely forbid -- I pick and choose. I take what I can use and leave the rest. I pick and choose according to what I allow God to lead me to.
 

Spice

StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
I think its ten to fifteen years, not sure. But some ways of thinking are so ingrained. For example, we used to use a certain name for god, and uncertainty about the name is one of the reasons I started to doubt, but even now if something terrible or frightening happens, I find myself praying in the moment using that name. Its like its not planned, but a neurological thinking pattern and i default to that. And I still feel guilt toward that god and my family even after all these years, well knowing I did the right thing by leaving the lies and abuse.
Why don't you give God a personal nickname? It's not irrevant. It's TRUST, and it makes your relationship very real.
 

Spice

StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
I recently had a dream while sleeping where my deceased mother spoke audible words to me. I actually heard the words and then I awoke to remember the whole thing. I could not see her, but the hearing was so real. Yet when I woke up I could make a distinction between what I heard and actual reality.

Funny thing is while dreaming I didn't expect my mother to be in it. It was out of nowhere.

I suppose I could buy into the experience, but something tells me that honestly I wouldn't know absolutely anything for sure about it. It's as easy to dismiss it as it is to accept it. That I had this experience was a total shock to me because I've never had vivid ultra realistic dreams before.
I have significant dream issues, always have, as I have narcolepsy and spend too much time in that sleep cycle and oftentimes awake from that phase, so I remember those dreams. I have a very, very active social and family life in my dreams. I get along famously with my dad, now, though he's been dead 30 years. And my deceased brothers, living and deceased friends, exs, ... it's generally a wonderful life in my dreams.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I think you oughta allow yourself to have faith.

Even if you don't understand the nature of reality at this moment, or the mysteries of God, I don't see any reason to dismiss what I feel is an incredible experience.
Faith is unfounded belief. It's unreliable.

The experience is quite credible. People have them all the time. How they interpret them varies considerably, though.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
I actually don't like posting this, since It may influence how people here see me going forward, but I'm not that active anyway so I guess it's okay.

Late afternoon yesterday, I had an episode. I am currently in a state where I alternate between belief in God and denial of his existence until I have proof. Yesterday I leaned more toward belief, and I was praying earnestly, begging that if God exists, if he could just talk to me directly without human interference. I spent a few minutes doing that, and afterward wanted to play some video games since it was still early, but something changed.

I suddenly felt uneasy, and I could not sit down to play. I paced around and became overwhelmed with emotion and an intense desire to sleep. It was about 6pm and way too early. It's hard to explain, but my perception of the world seemed to close in around me, closer and closer until it felt like I could only perceive as far as my bedroom walls, like the world outside ceased to exist. I still felt bothered and confused and compelled to sleep. So I lay down on my bed, and the world closed in more to an area of about arms reach. I proceeded to go into a kind of waking dream, where my eyes were open but I was in a dream, and for about two hours I was overwhelmed by emotion and twisting thoughts. I did not feel in control, but like an observer or passenger.

My thoughts were of the resurrection of Christ, and I could not steer my mind in another direction. My thoughts became visual images of Christ, his face blurred since I don't know what he looks like, but I somehow knew it was him. My thoughts became his words, and he spoke to me with authority. He told me about the resurrection and for once things made so much sense. He explained it in a way I had never thought about or heard about before. It was like a fever dream. I became very emotional and started to cry. The feeling lifted and I quickly wrote down what he said.

I snapped back to...let's say reality, and my mind was clear. I just stood up and went to my pc and played a game like nothing happened. My mind wondered what the hell was going on but I pretended nothing happened and just focused on the game, I guess I was, and am afraid of what this means.

Am I becoming schizophrenic?
Is God talking to me?
Should I see a priest or a psychologist?
Let me try to explain this by means of some basic logic connected to the natural functioning of the brain. Neurons are different from the semi-conductor memory of computers. Computer memory is design to be stable; lowest energy, in one of two stable binary states; on-off switches. Neurons, on the other hand, expend a lot of metabolic energy; 90% of their energy economy, pumping and exchanging ions. This builds up a potential within all neurons. Neuron are connected to energized memory, whereas, computer memory is very low potential.

When neurons fire, they release this stored energy. This energy release then cascades through pathways; firing other neurons, amplifying and lower collective potential along the way. The neurons then go back to work, recharging themselves, back to full power.

Based on what you said, your spiritual dilemma sort of dammed up the natural flow of the brain's energy. Like a beaver dam, built on a small stream; one object of strong obsession, this can lead to a pooling of energy, behind the dam. In your case, there was sudden break of the dam and a release of extra energy to restore the natural flow of the stream.

Since neurons and synapses, are also connected to our memory, this damming and then the sudden release, will flow energy through the memory, causing firing of neurons, as the energy is rerouted. At times, if one is conscious enough, you can witness the path for the natural energy release, as a function of your memory.

In a sense, it is a revelation, based on what you know and understand. This often also involves symbolism which are 3-D memories. The symbols are more for the right brain, to help adjust emotional valence, which can transmit lots of energy. A 3-D symbolic valve for releasing and redistributing the energy pressure is far more complex and efficient. A 3-D adjustment goes beyond cause and effect which is 2-D. This is why dreams often seem illogical; skips 2-D logic steps via 3-D processing. Your dream sounded like it was connected to a natural adjustment for both sides of the brain; mind and heart.

This happens all the time, but most people are not conscious of the natural adjustment. They are often sleeping and not conscious in their dreams. They may just feel better the next day. However, those who can become conscious of this natural dynamics have the potential to use this damming procedure, in constructive ways.

Theoretically, you can set up small dams, that the brain will try to reroute, leading to movement of energy though the memory, leading to solutions to problems, even those in general human knowledge. Consider your experience a gift and a look at what is possible.
 
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