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Reworking the Apocryphon of John

nazz

Doubting Thomas
Spinning off from the Monism thread I thought I would take some material from the Apocryphon of John to describe what I call the Source. The author of the AofJ was actually speaking of the Father which he identifies as the Monad whereas I see the Father proceeding as the first Aeon from the Monad. So I have adjusted it as follows. mainly changing the personal pronouns to impersonal and omitting some things that sounded like qualifying attributes:

The Monad has nothing above it. It is that which came to exist as everything, that which is before everything.

It is not right to think of it as a god, or something similar. For it is more than a god, since there is nothing above it, for no one lords it over it. For it does not exist in something inferior to itself, since everything proceeds from it. For it is that which establishes itself through manifestation. It is eternal, since it does not need anything. For it is total perfection. It did not lack anything, that it might be completed by it; rather it is always completely perfect. It is illimitable, since there is nothing prior to it to set limits to it. It is unsearchable, since there exists nothing prior to it to examine it. It is immeasurable, since there was nothing prior to it to measure it. It is invisible, since nothing saw it. It is eternal, since it exists eternally. It is ineffable, since nothing was able to comprehend it to speak about it. It is unnameable, since there is nothing prior to it to give it a name.

It is ineffable, being perfect in incorruptibility. It is not in perfection, nor in blessedness, nor in divinity, but it is far superior. It is not corporeal nor is it incorporeal. It is neither large nor is it small. There is no way to say, 'What is its quantity?' or, 'What is its quality?', for no one can know it. It is not something among (other) beings, rather it is far superior. Not that it is (simply) superior, but its essence does not partake in the aeons nor in time. For he who partakes in an aeon was prepared beforehand. Time was not apportioned to it, since it does not receive anything from another, for it would be received on loan. For that which precedes something does not lack, that it may receive from something. For rather, it is the latter that looks expectantly at it.

How am I to speak with you about it? Its aeon is indestructible, at rest and existing in silence, reposing (and) being prior to everything. For it is the head of all the aeons, and it that which gives them form. For we know not the ineffable things, and we do not understand what is immeasurable, except for him who came forth from it, namely the Father.
 
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frangipani

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I must say I have found what is written in the Apocryphon of John as originally written to be a very excellent description of the Monad (Singularity) as a Gnostic I agree with this. Where we may differ is that we believe in the beginning there was indeed a Singularity (Monad) just as described in the Apocryphon of John. We believe this ‘Life-force’ is Spiritual and exists on the Spiritual plain. The matter universe in which we exist, we believe is the creation of a lesser god (demiurge) created in error from part of the Monad (Sophia) and as such was cast out (hidden). It is this demiurge who created the matter universe, we call him the devil.
Christ came to redeem those who do not belong here (those who by the nature of inheritance inherit that immortal spiritual spark) to the Father (Monad). The demiurge had this spark of immortal spirit and when he breathed life into the man he had created he imparted that spark of immortal spirit to mankind and mankind became a living soul (human). We believe if the demiurge had not done that and left the man as he created him, that is animalistic (sociopathic) the Monad would not have been concerned with the matter universe and Christ would have needed to come into hell (earth) because there would have been nothing here that belonged to the Monad. This brings to mind words from the Gospel of Thomas:
‘If the body came into being because of the spirit, it is a wonder.
But if the spirit came into being because of the body, it is a wonder of wonders.
Yet I marvel at how this great wealth of spirit has taken up residence in the poverty of the body. Whoever has come to know the world has found the corpse. And whoever has found this corpse, of him the world is not worthy’.
So, there are two ‘Gods’, the original Monad (Ineffable One) and the demiurge (the devil).
It’s truly wonderful to be given that lifeline, to see the precious Truth through the Ineffable One in Christ and to be able to see the Truth for ourselves through faith in the teachings of Christ and the application of the same in the rebirth of our spirits, because without that we are all without hope.
 

nazz

Doubting Thomas
I must say I have found what is written in the Apocryphon of John as originally written to be a very excellent description of the Monad (Singularity) as a Gnostic I agree with this. Where we may differ is that we believe in the beginning there was indeed a Singularity (Monad) just as described in the Apocryphon of John. We believe this ‘Life-force’ is Spiritual and exists on the Spiritual plain. The matter universe in which we exist, we believe is the creation of a lesser god (demiurge) created in error from part of the Monad (Sophia) and as such was cast out (hidden). It is this demiurge who created the matter universe, we call him the devil.
Christ came to redeem those who do not belong here (those who by the nature of inheritance inherit that immortal spiritual spark) to the Father (Monad). The demiurge had this spark of immortal spirit and when he breathed life into the man he had created he imparted that spark of immortal spirit to mankind and mankind became a living soul (human). We believe if the demiurge had not done that and left the man as he created him, that is animalistic (sociopathic) the Monad would not have been concerned with the matter universe and Christ would have needed to come into hell (earth) because there would have been nothing here that belonged to the Monad. This brings to mind words from the Gospel of Thomas:
‘If the body came into being because of the spirit, it is a wonder.
But if the spirit came into being because of the body, it is a wonder of wonders.
Yet I marvel at how this great wealth of spirit has taken up residence in the poverty of the body. Whoever has come to know the world has found the corpse. And whoever has found this corpse, of him the world is not worthy’.
So, there are two ‘Gods’, the original Monad (Ineffable One) and the demiurge (the devil).
It’s truly wonderful to be given that lifeline, to see the precious Truth through the Ineffable One in Christ and to be able to see the Truth for ourselves through faith in the teachings of Christ and the application of the same in the rebirth of our spirits, because without that we are all without hope.

Yes, I differ in seeing the Father as the first expression, the first aeon of the Monad. I also don't necessarily believe in the Demiurge but I can't rule it out either.
 
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