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RF Kennedy Jr. suspends campaign and endorses Trump.

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
You are quick to be critical of politicians.
They work hard to earn my scorn.
But this is about methodical examination, not "quickness".
They are human like everybody else. You describe yourself as a pragmatic libertarian. Maybe that explains it. You don't like government apparently if I understand what libertarian means. That translates into a dislike of all politicians. I don't know what the "pragmatic" part means. Maybe that means you are a moderate libertarian?
Dealing with corruption isn't about political
philosophical, eg, libertarianism.
I don't consider that heinous. It was probably his point of view that is different from yours. In the Baha'i Faith marriage is limited to a man and a woman or you lose your voting rights. But we just live and let live for those who are not Baha'i. They didn't sign up with the Baha'i Faith, so our rules are applicable to gays outside our faith. I'm married to a gay woman. We are told not to argue with those who believe that gays should marry. On balance in the world today the way that gays have have persecuted, and gay couples have been refused rights that straight marriage partners have, it was necessary for gays to be able to marry each other.
It was heinous to those denied the right to marry.
In the article it says:

The Comprehensive Forfeiture Act fixed all of these problems. The new bill was introduced by Senator Joe Biden in 1983 and it was signed into law the next year. With this law, federal agents had nearly unlimited powers to seize assets from private citizens. Now the government only needed to find a way to let local and state police join the party.

This came with the 1984 Comprehensive Crime Control Act. In addition to a slew of new powers for prosecutors, the burden of proof for asset seizure was lowered once again (agents had to only believe that what they were seizing was equal in value to money believed to have been purchased from drug sales). More significantly, the bill started the “equitable sharing” program that allowed local and state law enforcement to retain up to 80 percent of the assets seized.

The Lopes story merely illustrates that criminals are hardly the only people falling victim to this policy.

The law took effect in 1986, the year before Thomas Lopes pled guilty to charges of growing a marijuana plant in his parents’ backyard. In 1987, when Thomas faced the judge, the government had just made it so that his local police had an enormous incentive and unchecked authority to seize property from private citizens, as long as they could show any flimsy connection to drugs. By 1991, the Maui police were running out of easily-seized property, so they started combing through case files within the five-year limit to find new ways to enrich their precinct from the expanded RICO powers. One such file brought the Lopes home to their attention.

But the Lopeses are only one example out of millions. In the year their home was confiscated by police for a minor, four-year-old drug charge, $644 million in assets were seized. In 2018 alone, the Treasury Department’s Forfeiture Fund saw nearly $1.4 billion in deposits. The Lopes story merely illustrates that criminals (regardless of how one might feel about drug laws) are hardly the only people falling victim to this policy.

The decades-long abuse of this policy has reached such extreme proportions that people on all sides of the political aisle have been turning against it. As I am writing this (February 20th, 2019), the Supreme Court has unanimously voted in favor of Tyson Timbs, whose $42,000 Land Rover was seized in 2015 following a conviction for selling $400 in heroin. The Court is asserting that asset forfeiture constitutes a fine, and the Eighth Amendment—which protects citizens from excessive fines—applies to both state and local governments. The consequences of the ruling remain to be seen, but it seems nearly certain that the unanimous decision was motivated by the increasing outrage against the Civil Asset Forfeiture policies.

Wikipedia says:

The Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984 (Pub. L.Tooltip Public Law (United States) 98–473, S. 1762, 98 Stat. 1976, enacted October 12, 1984) was the first comprehensive revision of the U.S. criminal code since the early 1900s. It was sponsored by Strom Thurmond (R-SC) in the Senate and by Hamilton Fish IV (R-NY) in the House, and was eventually incorporated into an appropriations bill that passed with a vote of 78–11 in the Senate and 252–60 in the House.[1][2][3][4] It was then signed into law by President Ronald Reagan.

Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984 - Wikipedia

I guess introduce and sponsor have different meanings, so I'll believe the article. But Biden was not alone in responsibility for it. It was passed overwhelmingly by Congress. most of the politicians were guilty. Since the law was abused the mistake should have been rectified somewhere along the line, but it wasn't.

Well, I don't have the degree of dislike for politicians that you do, but something is wrong here. Presidents are not alone in not rectifying this mistake. Some further info from Google:

As of August 2023, some say that civil forfeiture is illegal because the Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees the right to a prompt hearing if the government wants to keep an individual's property. However, others say that this position is still being litigated in the courts.

In 2015, Eric Holder ended the policy of "adoptive forfeiture", which allowed state or local law enforcement to seize property and request that a federal agency forfeit it under federal law. However, in July 2017, the Justice Department took actions to reinstate police seizure powers.

Some states have abolished civil forfeiture, including Maine, Nebraska, North Carolina, and New Mexico. Other states allow it, but place the burden of proof on the government instead of the property owner.


It was pretty late in Obama's administration that something was done about this. This is not good. The Presidents before him did nothing at any time. Trump is more guilty, his administration reinstated it.

It's good that covid was fast tracked, but he tried to ignore covid as long as he could. Of course he wanted to elected and get credit for this, so the motive behind this was not the best. My understanding on this tax deduction thing is limited, but pushing limitations on tax deductions on property taxes think means that Trump's finances were hurt by this. He did do something that was moral, even if all other financial shenanigans were immoral.

I said I would get back to you and i am getting back to you. No snide remarks please.

As to that alternate source, I don't what to with it. I don't know how to access anything before 2017. I'll just assume that there were more whistleblowers in the Obama administration than that his predecessor's, which means he didn't control his administration from leaking information he didn't want to reach the public. There was also too much stuff going on that reflected badly on him. Not good.

We've spent too much time on this. I feel silly now. What I should be focusing on is what is actually important now, not the past.
More about Biden's assault on civil rights....
 

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
They work hard to earn my scorn.
But this is about methodical examination, not "quickness".

Dealing with corruption isn't about political
philosophical, eg, libertarianism.

It was heinous to those denied the right to marry.

More about Biden's assault on civil rights....
This is about the past, Biden's career is over. Let it rest. Like I said in my last post, I felt silly dwelling on past transgressions. I listened and carefully considered this stuff, it chewed up a lot of my time. Likewise Obama's political career is over.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
The Left deserves nothing but contempt.

Instead of celebrating the son of a Democratic Party's presidential candidate who was murdered because he was running for president, after they murdered Dr. MLK Jr.
...they totally gave him up.

And he chose to endorse Trump.

I am speechless before the spiritual, cultural and philosophical void of the American Left
You realize he's nuttier than squirrel turds, yes? Amd this is America. We hate inherited power, Constitutionally forbid titles of nobility, and we don't care who you're family is you'll earn your own merits. Of course not all Americans, but we definitely are not like Canada or England amd Left and Right there's there's a solid rejection of inherited value and importance that it's on par with Marx.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I think he has some sort of mental disorder, poor guy.

Robert Francis Kennedy Jr. (born January 17, 1954), also known by his initials RFK Jr., is an American politician, environmental lawyer, anti-vaccine activist, and conspiracy theorist. He is the chairman and founder of Children's Health Defense, an anti-vaccine advocacy group that is a leading proponent of COVID-19 vaccine misinformation...

Since 2005, Kennedy has promoted anti-vaccine misinformation[8] and public-health conspiracy theories,[9] including the scientifically disproven claim of a causal link between vaccines and autism.[10] Since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic, he has emerged as a leading proponent of COVID-19 vaccine misinformation in the United States.[11][1] Many of his often false public health claims have targeted such prominent figures as Anthony Fauci, Bill Gates, and Joe Biden.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. - Wikipedia.
No surprise none of that suggests a mental illness.
Knock of the playing doctor and armchair shrinking him.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
You realize he's nuttier than squirrel turds, yes? Amd this is America. We hate inherited power,
What about Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama?

Isn't that inherited power?
Constitutionally forbid titles of nobility, and we don't care who you're family is you'll earn your own merits.
Like Hillary who wanted to become president...
Of course not all Americans, but we definitely are not like Canada or England amd Left and Right there's there's a solid rejection of inherited value and importance that it's on par with Marx.

....
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
So is Kennedy.
And his belief in and promotion of super drug trip induced conspiracies is why many on the Left hand rejected him. But you seem to think just because of who he is we should have rolled out the red carpet for him just because of who he's related to. Cool. Give a cookie amd maybe some coffee to see if just maybe something helps sober him up and pull him back down to reality.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
And his belief in and promotion of super drug trip induced conspiracies is why many on the Left hand rejected him. But you seem to think just because of who he is we should have rolled out the red carpet for him just because of who he's related to. Cool. Give a cookie amd maybe some coffee to see if just maybe something helps sober him up and pull him back down to reality.
July 14 2024 has demonstrated that the elitist gang murders presidents and people running for presidents.
 
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wellwisher

Well-Known Member
t's good that covid was fast tracked, but he tried to ignore covid as long as he could. Of course he wanted to elected and get credit for this, so the motive behind this was not the best. My understanding on this tax deduction thing is limited, but pushing limitations on tax deductions on property taxes think means that Trump's finances were hurt by this. He did do something that was moral, even if all other financial shenanigans were immoral.
The property tax deduction, that had been in place, benefited the over priced city and states, which were mostly run by the DNC. As an analogy say you had two identical 4BR, 3 bath, 2200ft2 houses. One is in NYC and other is in South Carolina. Due to cost of living the one in NYC is $1million and the one in South Carolina is $400K. They are the same house. However, in terms of property taxes the one in NYC pays $30,000 per year and one in South Carolina pays $3500 per year. The tax deduction benefits the over priced state, for the same house. There is no extra value added just more tax liability, being in an over priced state.

Since both home owners get a deduction, and the more expensive state gets more, this justifies the higher property taxes, since the inefficient states gets a bigger federal tax payer supplement, for the homeowners to help pay their excessive local taxes. This is not same as Federal withholding taxes, since it involves local middleman who justify raping the local citizens, with an excessive property tax, supplemented by federal taxes. Not all States get the same Federal tax amount per capita. It is an artifact of local politics and not value added. It rewards stupid.

Trump did not see this Democrats ripoff as fair, so he put a limit as to how much you can deduct. What happened was the city and state tax payers saw the burden of fairness, and complained to the local Governments, that they need to reduce the ripoff; lower taxes. It is not the responsibly of the people of South Carolina to pay for services in NY, they themselves cannot afford to offer due to less Federal supplement. They could follow suit and do the rip off scam, but they are not that sleazy.

Part of the reason of the law fare against Trump, in NYC, was his getting rid of the deduction in over priced NY. The revenge of the thieves. The loss of the state supplement now requires smarter people in office, which makes many thieves in power feel more risk at election time.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
This is about the past, Biden's career is over.
No, he's still Prez, & a big influence on the party.
Let it rest. Like I said in my last post, I felt silly dwelling on past transgressions. I listened and carefully considered this stuff, it chewed up a lot of my time. Likewise Obama's political career is over.
When the transgressions continue, I
will call them out. Ya canna stop me.
 

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
Well, to be fair, I do agree with a couple of his policy positions such as shutting down the US war machine. But he claims to care about the environment (he is an environmental lawyer) and yet he backs Trump who was and would again be a disaster on environmental conservation. Makes no sense!

He has said many nutty things like broadband causes cancer (no evidence) and of course there is the whole vaccine thing.
I wonder about his position on environment and trump. They should be at extremes here so I no longer understand what Kennedy is doing. Trump called him and extremist also in the past but that is before Trump though about how Kennedy would support is election. I doubt Trump cares for him at all.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I wonder about his position on environment and trump. They should be at extremes here so I no longer understand what Kennedy is doing. Trump called him and extremist also in the past but that is before Trump though about how Kennedy would support is election. I doubt Trump cares for him at all.
They all give up their values & views
when doing so gains them power.
Just look at Vance, who believed that
Trump is "America's Hitler". How he's
Trump's <rhymes with witch>.
 

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
No, he's still Prez, & a big influence on the party.
He' not up for election anymore, so this stuff is irrelevant. I didn't say this before but Baha'is are not supposed to be arguing about politics, endorsing candidates, Putting down candidates. These help lead to disunity, and at this time there is disunity between us, so I never should have been arguing with you.
When the transgressions continue, I
will call them out. Ya canna stop me.
No, I can't. You can as disunifying as you want. I am not putting my disunifying to an end.
 
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