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RF Member Poll - Fate of the Seekers DIR

The fate of the Seekers DIR should be...

  • Leave it as a DIR and start enforcing Rule 10 there as per any blue DIR

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    28

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
The staff have been working on some restructuring of the forums behind the scenes (a few small changes you may have noticed already), and part of that project is going to be to restructure the DIR area. One thing we want to do is ensure that forums located in this subsection of the forum are truly treated as "blue" DIRs - that is, that they are treated as exclusive forums for the use of those specific groups alone. Per Rule 10, technically the only people who should be posting at all in the Seekers DIR are seekers. We'd like your thoughts on a couple of options:
  • Move the Seekers DIR out of the DIR area and into to Interfaith Discussion. Moving it here would allow the forum to behave the way it traditionally has: seekers could post threads saying they're looking for a path, and both seekers and non-seekers could provide helpful comments and feedback. Debate is still prohibited, and of course proselytizing. The forum would be renamed "Seekers Circle."
  • Leave the Seekers DIR where it is and start enforcing Rule 10 there. This would mean the only people who can post in the Seekers DIR with non-questions are other seekers. As we all know, there is some benefit to having a space for like-minded individuals, or fellow seekers, to help each other out without those conversations being interrupted by outsiders.
The staff have already agreed that moving the forum makes the most sense, but before we finalize that, we wanted to ask the RF community for your thoughts just in case you all have a different perspective on this. We're particularly interested in hearing from seekers. :D
 

4consideration

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Premium Member
I voted to move it.

I don't think "Seekers" are a group in the same way specific groups that identify with particular beliefs/practices are a group.

The way it looks to me is that people that are seeking may try on a belief system for a while, then move on to something else, and while that is fine, it seems to me that matter can be confusing for all concerned -- because while trying on a belief system, one is not seeking at that time -- so the "Seekers DIR" often appears to me to be a place where it's tough to tell who should be posting there. It is, and ought to be, against the rules in a DIR for outsiders (with their own DIR) to come in and offer their own belief system to members that are not part of that group -- but it seems Seekers DIR threads often invite that by asking questions about other religions.
 
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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The staff have been working on some restructuring of the forums behind the scenes (a few small changes you may have noticed already), and part of that project is going to be to restructure the DIR area. One thing we want to do is ensure that forums located in this subsection of the forum are truly treated as "blue" DIRs - that is, that they are treated as exclusive forums for the use of those specific groups alone. Per Rule 10, technically the only people who should be posting at all in the Seekers DIR are seekers. We'd like your thoughts on a couple of options:



    • Move the Seekers DIR out of the DIR area and into to Interfaith Discussion. Moving it here would allow the forum to behave the way it traditionally has: seekers could post threads saying they're looking for a path, and both seekers and non-seekers could provide helpful comments and feedback. Debate is still prohibited, and of course proselytizing. The forum would be renamed "Seekers Circle."
    • Leave the Seekers DIR where it is and start enforcing Rule 10 there. This would mean the only people who can post in the Seekers DIR with non-questions are other seekers. As we all know, there is some benefit to having a space for like-minded individuals, or fellow seekers, to help each other out without those conversations being interrupted by outsiders.
The staff have already agreed that moving the forum makes the most sense, but before we finalize that, we wanted to ask the RF community for your thoughts just in case you all have a different perspective on this. We're particularly interested in hearing from seekers. :D
I don't see how a blue designation would work. Seeker is a pretty broad term with many applications. Personally, I think it's fine the way it is.
 

GoodbyeDave

Well-Known Member
Technically the only people who should be posting at all in the Seekers DIR are seekers.
This would mean the only people who can post in the Seekers DIR with non-questions are other seekers. As we all know, there is some benefit to having a space for like-minded individuals, or fellow seekers, to help each other out without those conversations being interrupted by outsiders.
That seems a really silly option. If some-one is a seeker, they are presumably hoping to be a finder. If you read the posts, they are mostly people looking for help to find an answer, not people who just want to share their bewilderment with others in the same boat.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
The staff have been working on some restructuring of the forums behind the scenes (a few small changes you may have noticed already), and part of that project is going to be to restructure the DIR area. One thing we want to do is ensure that forums located in this subsection of the forum are truly treated as "blue" DIRs - that is, that they are treated as exclusive forums for the use of those specific groups alone. Per Rule 10, technically the only people who should be posting at all in the Seekers DIR are seekers. We'd like your thoughts on a couple of options:



    • Move the Seekers DIR out of the DIR area and into to Interfaith Discussion. Moving it here would allow the forum to behave the way it traditionally has: seekers could post threads saying they're looking for a path, and both seekers and non-seekers could provide helpful comments and feedback. Debate is still prohibited, and of course proselytizing. The forum would be renamed "Seekers Circle."
    • Leave the Seekers DIR where it is and start enforcing Rule 10 there. This would mean the only people who can post in the Seekers DIR with non-questions are other seekers. As we all know, there is some benefit to having a space for like-minded individuals, or fellow seekers, to help each other out without those conversations being interrupted by outsiders.
The staff have already agreed that moving the forum makes the most sense, but before we finalize that, we wanted to ask the RF community for your thoughts just in case you all have a different perspective on this. We're particularly interested in hearing from seekers. :D

I think moving Seeker into thr interfaith is more benefitial. While seekers can talk among themselves, mostly thry are looking for support from people they find have their same religious interest. Also, because seekers cannot post in other religious DIRs, it can be confusing because that seeker may feel he is Hindu but still pull to Islam but cant post in either because their label and conversation doesnt have a distinct language related to that religio (ex Hindu and Islam DIR). That leads to more isolation of "I dont belong" and seekers DIR isnt a depression forum, so interfaith woule give them a chance to ask questions without being presured to take on a label so they can communicate in X DIR.

Also, with "outsiders" I notice that most outsiders who post in seekers are helping since there are no questions to ask unless there is a brief conversation associated with questions. Its hard to have a onesided conversation. Think of it in person. Tell your friend only to ask questions and develop a conversation based on comment and question only.

Interfaith is better. Thats my view.
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
The staff have been working on some restructuring of the forums behind the scenes (a few small changes you may have noticed already), and part of that project is going to be to restructure the DIR area. One thing we want to do is ensure that forums located in this subsection of the forum are truly treated as "blue" DIRs - that is, that they are treated as exclusive forums for the use of those specific groups alone. Per Rule 10, technically the only people who should be posting at all in the Seekers DIR are seekers. We'd like your thoughts on a couple of options:



    • Move the Seekers DIR out of the DIR area and into to Interfaith Discussion. Moving it here would allow the forum to behave the way it traditionally has: seekers could post threads saying they're looking for a path, and both seekers and non-seekers could provide helpful comments and feedback. Debate is still prohibited, and of course proselytizing. The forum would be renamed "Seekers Circle."
    • Leave the Seekers DIR where it is and start enforcing Rule 10 there. This would mean the only people who can post in the Seekers DIR with non-questions are other seekers. As we all know, there is some benefit to having a space for like-minded individuals, or fellow seekers, to help each other out without those conversations being interrupted by outsiders.
The staff have already agreed that moving the forum makes the most sense, but before we finalize that, we wanted to ask the RF community for your thoughts just in case you all have a different perspective on this. We're particularly interested in hearing from seekers. :D

Voted "relocate".

I am sort of thinking out loud here so bare with me...

As a suggestion it may be an idea to merge the Seekers DIR with the New Religious Movements DIR and relaxing the proselytisation rule in that area.

Treating seekers in isolation under Rule 10 doesn't make a huge amount of sense in practice given that what seekers most want will be information regarding religions. Very often this can be found in other DIRs or other debate forums. The second option sort of creates a "dead end", whereas the first option creates a specific space for people to ask specific questions regarding individual faiths that can already be asked in DIR or other su forums.

New Religious movements DIR is often an open space for members to map out ideas but then have no one to talk to and so the religions simply die on the drawing board. The non-proselytisation rule affects all belief systems equally even though they are not equal in terms of membership. (I think Christians and atheists on the forums represent 40% of regular members on the forums if not more). As such it effectively protects the dominance of existing groups on RF, making it hard for new religions to break through as more than one person belief systems and an uphill battle for recognition.

If you look at some of the oldest threads in the new religious movements DIR this was essentially what it was used for- a space for suggesting new DIRs to be included on the main forums. Only this would make it a permanent feature and for new religions.

If you think of seekers and new religions as two sides of the same coin (supply and demand if you will) putting them together would create one area where new religions are free to gain new adherents and seekers can experiment with new ideas. Seekers would have a genuine choice based on members presenting new, original ideas and other members get to test their beliefs out with willing participants.

Upon attaining x number of members, that new religion can apply for a DIR of its own. This therefore creates a temporary solution for religions that are too small to merit DIRs but need therefore to find members to gain recognition. This would act as a sort of "entry level" for religions to pick up maybe 5-10 adherents and then get their own DIR and face the major belief group on RF in debates. Doing so will act as a sort of warning signal if the forum were overwhelmed or monopolised by a new religion that didn't have a DIR of its own.

The downside is that this would be a protected space for seekers and new religious movements- requiring moderation. It necessarily assumes a willingness for experimentation and not dogmatism amongst "new religions" who may bully seekers. But this would help increase the diversity of beliefs on the forum.

Imagine a space on the forums where someone can talk about a flat earth or ancient aliens with an interested, if bemused, audience and not face the hostility of the converted or the perpetually sceptical from the main forums. you can see what I am getting at as opening up some of the rules in a controlled way- hopefully to the benefit of everyone by increasing the forums ability to share and spread ideas in a respectful and civil way. It's not ideal but it may solve several problems in one go by increasing diversity, creates a protected space for experimentation with new ideas and makes it easier for new religions to gain adherents in the hope of getting their own DIR. It marries several functions of the forum into a single space but it is up to members to make it work as a workshop for new beliefs.
 
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George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
Move it......You mean currently seekers are only supposed to discuss with other seekers? Maybe I need to delete my last post I made to a seeker.????
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I also wanted to add, and maybe this is already applies to interfaith, but if you keep Seekers as a DIR at least have seekers ask questions and let the people who are part of the religion(s) or paths they are interested in reply to their inquiries. Doing this won't (rather) give seekers as sense of "why are they asking questions and not giving me answers or information" viewpoint.

I agree with @Laika that seekers maybe overwhelmed. So, keeping in a DIR, if that is the option, I'd make it more flexible so seekers will get information rather than them being asked information they may or may not be ready or comfortable giving. That and it is a very poor method of conversation; so, in the Seekers DIR, it would make more sense for dual conversation.

In an interfaith forum, I'd suggest move it there mostly so there is a full conversation with various religions. On the other hand, too much information will also lead to confusing labels and staff may or may not know which DIR that person should post in. So, interfaith is not as restricted as DIRs. I'd cushion only the Seekers DIR at least, so they get information rather than providing it to outsiders who already know their faith(s) but are trying to help by asking without the ability to address seekers questions in a question-comment format.

@Quintessence
 
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Treks

Well-Known Member
I like that seekers can talk about the seeking experience, as well as get input from a range of people. A seeker may identify with any religion at a particular point in time and I wouldn't want anyone to be excluded who was a "seeker" and found a path but is still learning.

Move it to interfaith, but can we be clear that it's also a home for the unaffiliated and the affiliated-but-still-exploring peeps? I wouldn't want a post reported as being "not necessarily interfaith related", although I don't think that's likely to happen anyway.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Move it......You mean currently seekers are only supposed to discuss with other seekers? Maybe I need to delete my last post I made to a seeker.????

Technically yes, but the staff have definitely not been enforcing Rule 10 as it stands in this DIR. We basically want to restructure some of the DIR stuff so it makes more sense for you guys, and this is one piece of that process. I
wanted to run a poll by the members first before finalizing the move in case we had our heads on backwards with respect to yanking this out of the DIR area. :D
 

illykitty

RF's pet cat
I think it makes sense to move it, since it seems weird for it to be in a DIR where only seekers talk? I mean it would be more helpful to have it where anyone can reply. That's my two cents as a seeker.
 

Smart_Guy

...
Premium Member
I voted for the relocation.

I mean, I don't think it is practical to have it a DIR. Posts will be exclusive from seekers for seekers only then. That's not practical and won't bear good results. But I believe it has to have some kinda special restrictions as DIR's do compared to other sections.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Forum has been moved. :D

Unfortunately, the color of the forum stuck with it when we moved it, and that's not something we have the power to change. Disregard the pretty blue color. Hehe.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
I vote for relocation.
It is an area that needs to be as open as possible but not in a debate format.
People should be able to extend their views in line with their own faith.
With out actually proselytising.

1) Seekers and providers of relevant information clearly fit together.
2) New religions do Not. but perhaps need their own space in which to flourish in safety.
 

Orbit

I'm a planet
Seekers makes no sense as a DIR at all unless your intent is to have seekers talking to each other. It makes more sense to allow them to get information from members of religions they are interested in. Rule 10 makes no sense in this case.
 
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