RF (Religious Forums) FIGHT CLUB (without breaking rules)!

[Kenny]

What I'd like this thread, is for this to be a safe and civil space to bring your very best rhetoric and arguments for your beliefs, why you're the toughest, you're the best, your the ones who should get the recruits!

Why fight?

I just let my children take care of the light work. I only get involved if there is someone worthy of my battle... and since there aren't any on this forum.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

I think my religion should be some combination of Hinduism and Avril Lavigne.

I'm right because you can't win an argument against Avril Lavigne.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't need to really be all that good at fighting. With Lucifer as my guide, I just use my head and win without or with very little fighting. And I'm also fast and quick on my feet, and am eager and willing to be defensive and passive while others wear themselves out. And working in illusion into a fight, and breaking down opponents with psychological tactics. Because it's best to win at fighting without actually fighting.

I thought the first rule about fight club was that you don’t talk about fight club?


Sorry couldn’t resist

First and second rules.

 

[Jedster]

The only true religion is that which we are born with, i.e. Transtheism which I use in the sense of 'having no God concept(s)'.

After birth as we grow ,we get 'educated' and are taught about God(s) and take on the idea, at least for most of us.
Just as gravity naturally pulls us towards the centre of the Earth, so is our destination towards the understanding that God(s) is just a metaphor, at best, trying to describe the wonder of existence.

The human race has gone very far into this lie and cannot see the truth, so evolution has set up all these religions as steps towards said truth, without freaking out the believers. (I think this is called Samskaras by Hindus).

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I believe that God has created a system for this world, like evolution, where all sorts of forces are competing and influencing and mixing and combatting one another, strengthening one another, and vying.

Well, there is the illusion of that, but I'm not really sure if that's how I view it. I think that maybe it's more positive to think of these things as individual explorations , and I can't really begrudge the species for undertaking them, because we primates are curious by nature. Perhaps each religion strives to play a long-game, but each of these has a beginning and an end, and the result that the species will learn something.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

I think my religion should be some combination of Hinduism and Avril Lavigne.

I'm right because you can't win an argument against Avril Lavigne.

I actually can't, because I've loved her for a long time! Anyone who tries to be like her also is a friend of mine!

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Why fight?

I just let my children take care of the light work. I only get involved if there is someone worthy of my battle... and since there aren't any on this forum.

Everyone on this website seems like "good people", the real villains worthy of combatting are basically not on here at all!

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Well, there is the illusion of that, but I'm not really sure if that's how I view it. I think that maybe it's more positive to think of these things as individual explorations , and I can't really begrudge the species for undertaking them, because we primates are curious by nature. Perhaps each religion strives to play a long-game, but each of these has a beginning and an end, and the result that the species will learn something.

Very cool idea!

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

The only true religion is that which we are born with, i.e. Transtheism which I use in the sense of 'having no God concept(s)'.

After birth as we grow ,we get 'educated' and are taught about God(s) and take on the idea, at least for most of us.
Just as gravity naturally pulls us towards the centre of the Earth, so is our destination towards the understanding that God(s) is just a metaphor, at best, trying to describe the wonder of existence.

The human race has gone very far into this lie and cannot see the truth, so evolution has set up all these religions as steps towards said truth, without freaking out the believers. (I think this is called Samskaras by Hindus).

Very cool! I love that! Here is a little problem though. There is a thing that talks to me, it predicts things, it shows off its power, I can't seem to consciously control it, its "proofs" are physical, real, seen and experienced by other people around me. So if one says its just me, well I don't know what about it is really "me", since I don't appear to be able to control it. It has told me things that are about to happen, it tells me things in other languages. Sure, it might be a Demon, but its an extremely powerful demon, as it appears to be able to strongly manipulate reality, predict things that haven't happened yet, stop moving trains, make me invisible, teleport me, seemingly stopping time, reversing time, I consider it God.

This thing, it also seems to be able to control other people, be everywhere at once, coordinate things amazingly and perfectly, make people do things, make people go into trances, even kill people far away.

Its not important if anyone here acknowledges the reality of such a thing, but the point is, when there is such a thing, and its not apparently you, how can one experiencing such boldly proclaim the existence of nothing more powerful than ourselves, when we ourselves don't even appear to be controlling this thing, and it doesn't appear to be a human being or a creature at all.

So, I love Transtheism, I love the rejection of Gods and childish idea, everything you described is great, and I sincerely hope that all people or most people become Atheists, because they don't deal with what I deal with, and what some others reportedly deal with, this thing.

This thing has also given me hundreds of dollars, jewelry, all sorts of "gifts" seemingly after telling me it is going to do so or talking about it, it calls itself God even. It even seems to be the one that inspires these weirdo missions like my writing on this website and what I end up saying on here.

So, crazy or not, this is a major dilemma when you know something like this, have it doing this to you, talking to you, telling you things, seemingly controlling reality itself, the entire weather, the movements of humans and animals, diseases, everything. Its too dangerous also to play around with or fight, its made people fall down right in front of me, its blown up electrical things after telling me it was going to, its lifted up and thrown things that nothing known to humanity can lift or throw, its made the entire Earth shake and in precise areas so that people all fall down and I'm left standing, its allowed things to go right through me or to bend my body like rubber so that its unaffected by metal snapping my hand or arm, it has made fire not have any effect like fire, it has turned dead things into living things, non-living matter into living things, it has brought things back to life right in front of me, it has told me all sorts of hidden things about people and their lives and pasts, it has returned things to me, generated exotic animals from other parts of the world right on my toilet seat, its shown me events that I see or learn about later in dreams very accurately, it has made things go through other solid things phased like ghosts, it can change the nature of matter apparently, this thing, I can not do anything but consider it the Almighty God that is capable of all such things, its made me breath under water, its transformed me or morphed my physical form and face or appearance, its made people hand me money like zombies or do things they don't even know they are doing or remember doing or saying but which are recorded. Its total Power, and I can't control it, I can't command it, I can't predict it, I can't tell it what to do. I'm only lucky its seemingly gentle with me, because its shown me all kinds of terrible things it can do, and its terrifying.

The strongest argument, for someone not experiencing such things, is to proclaim I'm simply a liar, and that is not the case, but its fine and understandable that one should rightfully never accept the existence of these things I have mentioned except without personally experiencing such, and thus not being able to deny, and having evidence, and solid real things happening which others can also see or be part of, which demonstrate to you the reality of such things as what I am describing, and then you'll be in a similar difficult position of wondering, what the heck has so much power, and how it could be said to be "me" when no part of me is able to do these things or control such things, so I can't take the credit for such at all. Its irrelevant to me if someone denies it, they must not believe in such gobbledygook just because someone sincerely insists even, because people took the words of the writers of the Gospels as true for example, without seeing or experiencing a thing themselves, and that doesn't seem safe or right, furthermore, what one believes should not rely on experiences like these, but rather should be founded upon the strongest and most reliable seeming logic, a mathematical logic almost, or with the strongest linguistics and truth, which matches up with reality in a way that is fool-proof and undeniable as to what The Ultimate Power should be, must be, and thus should be made to refer to.

I would happily deny the existence of all these cartoony things, and the guesses people make and prefer, seemingly baselessly. The other question is, why have other people not encountered anything like this thing I'm talking to and describing? Some have, but most seemingly haven't, or if they have, they haven't apparently noticed.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

I don't need to really be all that good at fighting. With Lucifer as my guide, I just use my head and win without or with very little fighting. And I'm also fast and quick on my feet, and am eager and willing to be defensive and passive while others wear themselves out. And working in illusion into a fight, and breaking down opponents with psychological tactics. Because it's best to win at fighting without actually fighting.

First and second rules.

So, you can list a bunch of different groups and how they are are biff bam poot! defeated with a series of strikes that can't be easily refuted but really give them a hard time and make it hard for them to deny they are most likely or entirely in the wrong!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So, you can list a bunch of different groups and how they are are biff bam poot! defeated with a series of strikes that can't be easily refuted but really give them a hard time and make it hard for them to deny they are most likely or entirely in the wrong!

Strikes? I'd prefer ticking clocks and reminding enemies of time not being their friend or ally. I like acting so crazy people don't want to step up to that. I'd also prefer submission and choke holds over strikes. Or just throwing people around and letting their head slam on the ground.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Strikes? I'd prefer ticking clocks and reminding enemies of time not being their friend or ally. I like acting so crazy people don't want to step up to that. I'd also prefer submission and choke holds over strikes. Or just throwing people around and letting their head slam on the ground.

Haha, yeah that is true, but I mean in the context of this thread in particular, I was hoping people might list out things they believe and why and don't believe and why, and to give their strongest arguments for every case or against every case. I may likely do that myself as well later, and list out a whole bunch of ideas I like and dislike and why, and hopefully that might get people started or having material available to work off of, but people can also get started themselves before then or in case that doesn't happen.

The Jehovah Witness person was kind enough to start off things though by quite seriously coming in, entering into the debate zone, and talking about their beliefs, to which I responded with some arguments I thought were pretty strong which might make their suggestions called into question possibly (and similar ones also by extension or applying my arguments to other cases as well).

Daniel also entered in and helped out with an argument against the Jehovah Witnesses or their organization which makes them seem less credible or devout by suggesting or showing some admission or evidence of sexual abuses (which seem to exist in just about any bunch of humans that start organizing a lot, even the Buddhists, Muslims, basically no organization seems to be free of corrupt people seemingly gravitating to positions where they might be able to better take advantage of people or behave like predators and abuse their positions of authority and trust).

I think that is actually only logical and almost can't be stopped, that some nasty criminal mind will think of a way to better get whatever it is they want by "gaming" some system or using people and organizations callously and unethically to achieve their ends and desires, and create entire systems and environments or little mini-cults to protect themselves and train more vile people to feed them and themselves and the overall perversions that become widespread.

This thread allows for such accusations and arguments to be presented and used against any group, but I was also very interested in really having people present very strong cases for whatever they themselves believe against whatever any other group or person might believe, and really give it the strongest or most explosive and totally decimating all the other groups ideas or beliefs or faith in things. Rocking their world(s).

So a Christian should present the strongest cases for their Christianity against all arguments, and present their strongest attacks against the other groups they don't believe in and why.

An Atheist should present their strongest cases for their personal beliefs and practices (like why there is no God and how believing in God can be bad, if they think so, and why people should be like them or Atheists or why they think that is best and they do whatever they do themselves), and then also go through all the different groups and their beliefs and blowing them to smithereens with great slish slash sloosh arguments that just leave them slish slashed and slooshed.

Muslims should come in, Jews, Hindus, everyone, and do the same, Buddhists, and each should defend their own positions strongly and attack the other positions with as strong of arguments if they can, and I want to see what might result from this free-for-all if it ever gets underway.

Jokes, slights, sideways or passive sort of mockery is probably allowed and tolerable, especially if its towards a belief and as long as it isn't too heavy handed, rude, or extreme, like a person can say something sly like "oh maybe Jesus was a avian and sort of floated on the water like a duck, or wore ducks on his feet, while also being very light, so probably still avian himself, with hollow bones, but that is most likely just conjecture, so what isn't conjecture about Jesus?" so that is kind of a funny and silly thought, sort of mocking, but it seems like no harm done, so I doubt the moderators would be too angry about something like that, whereas they may be more annoyed by all out clear cut insults to individuals or their families or threats or something.

The point isn't to mock though, except if its mainly as a rhetorical type of tool used to make an argument or a position look foolish or ridiculous so that it makes it clear why it should be questioned or not followed or believed and why we don't believe it or whatever.

Now, even if no Muslim comes in here to join in, one can discuss the things they think the Muslims believe in order to show why they reject them and why they don't think they are true or can not be true or should not be believed or are wrong or dangerous to be believed, and it can be left at that or it might make a Muslim eventually come in to address those things, or a Muslim can come in and skip those and focus instead on calling into question other stuff.

People don't necessarily need to respond to each other or address each other, but if they do, it might get things going a bit more as well.

I look forward to seeing people get out of their frustrations and pet peeves and all that, fighting with their inner demons even, all those things that have bothered them and which they want to speak out against or for!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I look forward to seeing people get out of their frustrations and pet peeves and all that, fighting with their inner demons even, all those things that have bothered them and which they want to speak out against or for!

That tends to not be a pretty or good thing when I do that. Letting it out a little here is known for getting me warning points (especially when people say "quit taking your meds" or other equally absurd and potentially destructive "suggestions" for healthcare).

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Oh, also, if anyone knows about my beliefs, or has ideas about them, you can feel free to offer your best arguments as to why you don't believe in or agree with my beliefs or even my behaviors or whatever.

Also, I think I linked this (I'm not entirely sure if this is allowed, but I'd like to show people a resource which has some of my stuff typed out a lot so that people can kind of see what I'm into):
Relic's Blog

More specifically, these writings discuss some versions of my ideas and beliefs more clearly or specifically:
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Live "Divi-nation" Magic Demon-stration!
Fictional Deities, which would you choose and why?
Proof of Islam?

Also, if one plays with the "RelicWordShip" "Thought Machine" or whatever I call it, it starts with this video:

the lyrics of which are this:

and for brainwashing:

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

That tends to not be a pretty or good thing when I do that. Letting it out a little here is known for getting me warning points (especially when people say "quit taking your meds" or other equally absurd and potentially destructive "suggestions" for healthcare).

I get in trouble too!

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Why are the following right or wrong, and in what ways are they right and wrong in your opinion? Why do you follow certain things and not others, or perform certain acts or behaviors and not others? Or even eat certain things and refuse to ingest others? What are your priorities and interests and what do you think your deeds in life will amount to if anything or their consequences and results be and why? If you believe or disbelieve in any of the following, state why in the most robust and strong ways possible:
All Forms and Variations and Sects of
Christianity
Islam
Judaism
Atheism
Buddhism
Hinduism
Shinto
Paganism
Ancient Religions
Philosophies
Hedonism
Nihilism
Materialism
Science
The Bible
The Qur'an
The Vedas
The Hindu Epics
The Hadiths
The Gospels
Bahai
Free Masonry
Occultism
Diabolism / Demonolatry
Hellenism
Native American Spirituality
Folk Beliefs
Taoism
Chinese Traditional Religion
Militarism
Nationalism
Socialism
Communism
Patriotism
Democrats
Republicans
Left
Right
Racism
Eugenics
Terrorism
War
Policing
Technocracy
Technology
Medicine
Genetic Alteration
Transhumanism
Artificial Intelligence Advances
Luddite
Occasionalism
Panentheism
Pantheism
Overpopulation
Procreation
Voodoo
Hoodoo
Santeria
Magick
Magic
Palo Mayombe
Allah
Unicorns
God
Odin
Thor
Shiva
Vishnu
Krishna
Rama
Hanuman
Ganesh
Tezcatlipoca
Aphrodite
Inari
Homosexuality
Pre-Marital Sex
Misogyny
Chauvinism
Human Rights
Human Rights Abuses
Abortion
Genocide
Politicians
Cults
Scientology
New Religions
The New Age
Edgar Cayce
Sigmund Freud
Carl Jung
Executions
Institutionalization
De-Institutionalization
Euthanasia
Animal Euthanasia
Feeding and Supporting the Poor
Charity
Fasting
Prayer
Worship
Murder
Rape
Pedophilia
Revenge
Horror Films
Violence in Media
Violence in Games
Video Games
Computers
Modern Phones
Social Media
Internet
Dawkins
Darwin
Reality
Truth
Disease
Magical Energy/Esoteric Energies/Vibes
Hippies
Non-Medicinal Drug Use or Recreational Drug Use
Drug Use
Intoxication
Pollution
Vegetarianism
I don't know if I'm repeating at this point, basically anything you do or don't do, beat it up or beat others up with it, in the most friendly and sound way possible, so that we all become the best we can be in your opinion!

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Why do I believe what I believe?

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Get your God on!

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

My strongest desire at the current time, is seeing Biden win. Doesn't matter whether I'm a Biden fan or not. And I know there are a lot of foreigners on this forum whom support Trump. They have the right to an opinion, in my opinion... but if they truly like him... could they maybe bring him over to their country for the next 4 years if he wins reelection?

 

[MNoBody]