Richard Dawkins hasn't read the Quran yet.

[Khubla]

Using good common sense not every Muslim follows these scriptures and that is a beginning, however that was not the question you posed. You said that there was no verse(s) in the Quran that prohibited listing to music and dancing. I showed you the passages and proved you wrong. You seem unable to admit that you were wrong. A weakness there me thinks.

 

[FearGod]

Using good common sense not every Muslim follows these scriptures and that is a beginning, however that was not the question you posed. You said that there was no verse(s) in the Quran that prohibited listing to music and dancing. I showed you the passages and proved you wrong. You seem unable to admit that you were wrong. A weakness there me thinks.

I had explained to you what the verse means and I proved to you with evidence that Islamic countries including Iran and Saudi Arabia don't prohibit or ban music, so I think you understand the quran better than they do. :sarcastic

 

[Khubla]

What countries ban or don't ban music has nothing to do with what you challenged me to. The Quran does prohibit dancing and music, and far to many other things that will always cripple Islamic culture. Following that religion will always relegate these countries to second or third world status and that is a huge shame.

 

[FearGod]

What countries ban or don't ban music has nothing to do with what you challenged me to. The Quran does prohibit dancing and music, and far to many other things that will always cripple Islamic culture. Following that religion will always relegate these countries to second or third world status and that is a huge shame.

The same way that you misunderstood the verses about fighting you also misunderstood the verse talking about making a mockery about the verses of the quran as to be music and dancing.

Regarding the huge shame for Islamic countries to be ranked as a 3rd world, I prefer even to be ranked as the 5th world than to live in one nation that STI is counted 19.7 million of new cases per year.

In 2008, there were an estimated 110 million prevalent STIs among women and men in the U.S

The total estimated direct cost of STIs annually in the U.S. is $15.6 billion (2010 US dollars)

Not to mention that more than 1,200,000 living with AIDS in the US.

Reference : Statistics on Sexually Transmitted Infections

 

[McBell]

The same way that you misunderstood the verses about fighting you also misunderstood the verse talking about making a mockery about the verses of the quran as to be music and dancing.

Regarding the huge shame for Islamic countries to be ranked as a 3rd world, I prefer even to be ranked as the 5th world than to live in one nation that STI is counted 19.7 million of new cases per year.

In 2008, there were an estimated 110 million prevalent STIs among women and men in the U.S

The total estimated direct cost of STIs annually in the U.S. is $15.6 billion (2010 US dollars)

Not to mention that more than 1,200,000 living with AIDS in the US.

Reference : Statistics on Sexually Transmitted Infections

ROTFLMAO

Interestingly enough, the only reason i can come up with for you to be so scared of the STI is that you sleep around an awful lot and would be scared that your lifestyle will lead you to Hong Kong Dong.

 

[FearGod]

FearGod says: Who told you that the quran forbids listening to music and dancing.
Show me one verse in the quran that says singing or dancing is a sin.

OK, here are several verses. Now please admit that you were wrong.

Dear Muslims! Music is the voice of Satan with which he instigates human beings into perpetrating evil deeds and acts of disobedience. It is therefore imperative upon every Muslim to shun him and keep away from him. Allah says in this regard, “And befool them gradually those whom you can among them with your voice (i.e. songs, music, and any other call for Allah’s disobedience), make assaults on them with your cavalry and infantry, share with them wealth and children (by tempting them to earn money by illegal ways – usury, or by committing illegal sexual intercourse), and make promises to them. But Satan promises them nothing but deceit.” (Al-Israa’: 64).

What you brought here is what I may call a bull crap.

The voice of the Satan is music. :biglaugh:

Fellow Muslims! Shun music and its instruments for it leads to promiscuity. It is also the trap of Satan by which he lures men to immoral acts. Zayd ibn Al-Waleed said, “O Omayyads! Keep away from music for it reduces modesty, increases lust and destroys man. It acts in the same way as alcohol and one who is under its influence acts like one who is drunk.” Umar ibn Abdul-Azeez wrote to his sons’ tutor: “Let your first lesson for them be the hatred of musical instruments that come from Satan and end with the wrath of Allah; for it reached me from trustworthy sources that attending a place where music and its instruments are played grows hypocrisy in the heart as water makes plants grow.” He also wrote a letter to Umar ibn Al-Waleed part of which goes thus, “And your introduction of musical instruments and flutes is an innovation in Islam and I have decided to send to you those who will chop off that evil head of yours.”

Actually and for your information Muslims had invented and used the musical instruments during the Islamic empire.
MuslimHeritage.com - Topics

Brothers in faith! Beware of things that lead to Allah’s wrath. Appearance of music and stringed instruments is a cause of Allah’s wrath and His chastisement. Aboo Maalik Al-Ash’aree narrated that the Messenger of Allah said, “There will be a group of people among my nation who will drink alcohol calling it by other names and upon their heads stringed instruments will be played and in their presence songstresses will sing, Allah will cause the earth to swallow them and He will turn them into monkeys and pigs.”

I brought to you evidences that Music was used during the Islamic empire and even Muslim scientists worked on it including Al-razi, but what you brought here is a misinterpreted verse and a silly fake hadith.

May I ask you how they turned to monkeys while they were swallowed by earth. :sarcastic

So any person with score of 80 in the "IQ test" can have the ability to realize that such hadith is kind of mocking.

 

[FearGod]

ROTFLMAO

Interestingly enough, the only reason i can come up with for you to be so scared of the STI is that you sleep around an awful lot and would be scared that your lifestyle will lead you to Hong Kong Dong.

Yes among the 110 millions of "the awful lot", as you called them, then the chances are high and I have the reason to be scared even to shake hand with one. :yes:

 

[McBell]

Yes among the 110 millions of the awful lot "as you called them" then the chances are high and I have the reason to be scared even to shake hand with one. :yes:

You think sexually transmitted diseases can be caught by shaking hands?
Do you even know what "sexually transmitted" means?

 

[McBell]

Yes among the 110 millions of "the awful lot",

I suspect that you misunderstand what I am talking about with the "awful lot" you mention here...

Or are you saying that you have slept with 110 million people?

 

[FearGod]

I suspect that you misunderstand what I am talking about with the "awful lot" you mention here...

Or are you saying that you have slept with 110 million people?

I think you need to improve your English grammar.

 

[McBell]

I think you need to improve your English grammar.

 

[FearGod]

You think sexually transmitted diseases can be caught by shaking hands?
Do you even know what "sexually transmitted" means?

Praise to God that it doesn't spread by shaking hands but it spreads among the "awful lot", as you called them, which counts 110 millions in the US.

If those wasn't the "awful lot" that may scare me due to my lifestyle "as you said", so what did you mean by the awful lot, the healthy people

 

[Khubla]

The Noble Qur'an - Luqman 31:6

And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing, etc.) to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah without knowledge, and takes it (the Path of Allah, the Verses of the Qur'an) by way of mockery. For such there will be a humiliating torment (in the Hell-Fire).

Hadith - Bukhari (#787) [Also related by Tabari]

Sa'id ibn Jbayr reported that Ibn 'Abbas said about the verse: "And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks" (31:6), that, "ldle talks means singing and the like."

The Noble Qur'an - Al-Isra 17:64

"And Istafiz [literally means: befool them gradually] those whom you can among them with your voice (i.e. songs, music, and other call for Allah's disobedience)..."

Hadith - Bukhari 7:494

Narrated Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari that he heard the Prophet saaws saying,

"From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks, and the use of musical instruments as lawful. And (from them), there will be some who will stay near the side of a mountain, and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and Allah will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection."

The Noble Qur'an - An-Najm 53:57-62

The Day of Resurrection draws near, None besides Allah can avert it, (or advance it, or delay it). Do you then wonder at this recital (the Qur'an)? And you laugh at it and weep not, Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing, etc.). So fall you down in prostration to Allah, and worship Him (Alone).

So you say the Quran doesn't prohibit music and dance. It clear you don't know your Quran as well as you should, or are you covering up some of it's absurdities?

Hadees-e-Qudsi (19:5) The Prophet said that Allah commanded him to destroy all the musical instruments, idols, crosses and all the trappings of ignorance. Allah said that if a man took even a mouthful of wine, He would make him drink the same quantity of pus of the wounds of the people in Hell.

 

[FearGod]

The Noble Qur'an - Luqman 31:6

And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing, etc.) to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah without knowledge, and takes it (the Path of Allah, the Verses of the Qur'an) by way of mockery. For such there will be a humiliating torment (in the Hell-Fire).

Hadith - Bukhari (#787) [Also related by Tabari]

Sa'id ibn Jbayr reported that Ibn 'Abbas said about the verse: "And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks" (31:6), that, "ldle talks means singing and the like."

The Noble Qur'an - Al-Isra 17:64

"And Istafiz [literally means: befool them gradually] those whom you can among them with your voice (i.e. songs, music, and other call for Allah's disobedience)..."

Hadith - Bukhari 7:494

Narrated Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari that he heard the Prophet saaws saying,

"From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks, and the use of musical instruments as lawful. And (from them), there will be some who will stay near the side of a mountain, and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and Allah will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection."

The Noble Qur'an - An-Najm 53:57-62

The Day of Resurrection draws near, None besides Allah can avert it, (or advance it, or delay it). Do you then wonder at this recital (the Qur'an)? And you laugh at it and weep not, Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing, etc.). So fall you down in prostration to Allah, and worship Him (Alone).

So you say the Quran doesn't prohibit music and dance. It clear you don't know your Quran as well as you should, or are you covering up some of it's absurdities?

Hadees-e-Qudsi (19:5) The Prophet said that Allah commanded him to destroy all the musical instruments, idols, crosses and all the trappings of ignorance. Allah said that if a man took even a mouthful of wine, He would make him drink the same quantity of pus of the wounds of the people in Hell.

I had explained to you with evidences that music is used among muslims and Muslims invented musical instruments during the Islamic empire (Sharia law) and I showed you videos that Saudi Arabia and Iran who follow the Sharia law don't prohibit music in their homelands and you are saying that all of them don't understand the quran including me and you are the only one who knows the actual meaning of the quran.

Send your silly findings to the scholars in Iran and Saudi Arabia so they can benefit from you.:sarcastic

 

[Khubla]

What I am saying is this:
(1) That the Quran does indeed prohibit singing and Music. Mo said that and it is written.
(2) That many, not all, Muslims disregard this and many other probations as most intelligent people would.

Mo didn't like music and he may have been tone deaf. So this great balm for the soul is forbidden to Muslims. The formerly sane singer Cat Stevens stopped singing, playing and recording after his conversion to Islam. And when do you ever read in the papers about the next tour of the Tehran Philharmonic Orchestra?

 

[FearGod]

What I am saying is this:
(1) That the Quran does indeed prohibit singing and Music. Mo said that and it is written.
(2) That many, not all, Muslims disregard this and many other probations as most intelligent people would.

Mo didn't like music and he may have been tone deaf. So this great balm for the soul is forbidden to Muslims. The formerly sane singer Cat Stevens stopped singing, playing and recording after his conversion to Islam. And when do you ever read in the papers about the next tour of the Tehran Philharmonic Orchestra?

That's hypocrisy at its best.

Cat Steven stopped singing and doesn't listen to music. :biglaugh:

I show you practical proofs but yours is bla ..bla..bla

The best thing that you always do is copy and paste from websites with your blatant ignorance about Islam.

Here is Steven singing with music, and still there are some singers who prefer to sing without music and I like it too.

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Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens) - Moonshadow The Musical Preview (Part 2) HD - YouTube

 

[Khubla]

The need for an income often overcomes religious dogma.

Stevens converted to Islam in December 1977 and adopted the name Yusuf Islam the following year. In 1979, he auctioned all his guitars for charity and left his music career to devote himself to educational and philanthropic causes in the Muslim community. In 2006, he returned to pop music with his first album of new pop songs in 28 years, entitled An Other Cup. He is now known professionally by the single name Yusuf.

 

[Looncall]

Iran is much more advanced in science and technology than the rest, so the question stands (why Afghanistan)

Comparing Spain during the Islamic Empire to What is Afghanistan today then we can realize that Afghanistan isn't ruled by Muslims but by Gangs and drug dealers.

Gangs and drug dealers who claim to be devout muslims. The taliban being a notorious example.

 

[Looncall]

I had explained to you with evidences that music is used among muslims and Muslims invented musical instruments during the Islamic empire (Sharia law) and I showed you videos that Saudi Arabia and Iran who follow the Sharia law don't prohibit music in their homelands and you are saying that all of them don't understand the quran including me and you are the only one who knows the actual meaning of the quran.

Send your silly findings to the scholars in Iran and Saudi Arabia so they can benefit from you.:sarcastic

I would like to know why the more enthusiastic muslims, such as the taliban, al shabab and boko haram are so against music. Can you enlighten me? I don't see any sense in it.

 

[FearGod]

Gangs and drug dealers who claim to be devout muslims. The taliban being a notorious example.

That's true, actually there is nothing in Afghanistan for the Jihad, so the rational approach is to think that what they were looking for is trading and they used Islam as a veil for their hidden Agenda.