Richard Dawkins hasn't read the Quran yet.

[Simurgh]

Leaving aside the logistics concerning the removal of Saddam Hussain and its aftermath, the question I would like to pose is this. If Islam is truly a religion of peace then why are there so many conflicts that pit Muslims against each other? What about the turmoil in Egypt? Syria? Somalia and the Sudan? True, most conflicts between Muslim communities are localized, yet the brutality with which they are fought beggar the mind.



And what about al-Qaeda? Most of its violence has been directed against fellow Muslims (Pakistan, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, and Mali for example). And then there is sectarian violence between the various Sunni and Shia groups. Let’s not forget what the Taliban does to those Muslims who do not want to live under their rule.

Why do so many Muslims expect the west to intervene in their problems but as soon as we do we are demonized. As soon as the goal is accomplished and we are declared to be the evil foreign power (insert USA since most European countries are minimally involved and prefer to provide material support and expect Americans to be the ones paying and dying for nothing more than the chance at being vilified as the evil empire). Somalia is a point in case.



Another question is, why is Dawkins singled out for vilification in regard to Islam and its perception in the West? Judging by what is going on, does he not have a valid opinion concerning the violence religion engenders? and yes, he has stated numerous time that this is his opinion about religion in general, not just Islam.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

just give you a tips from the past :
I am 33 years old , that mean i am witness about Gulf War , So Iraq after it's retreat from Kuwiet , the USA aircraft strick the retreated Iraqi army !!!

then they bombed Bagdad ,then they siege Iraq for 11 years during it - 1 million Iraqi kids died because of siege when they


orgnise oil exchange with food !!!

then USA invade Iraq because the big lie of nuclear weapon .

FWIW, I quit one job when the company I worked for was purchased by a larger company that also had a division that refueled and rearmed American warplanes in Kuwait. I didn't want to have anything to do with the Iraq War.

I admire that your honest reponses , for me western culture is just make up ,to represent the western armies as heros

inspite of their fatal errors against muslims.

I think western culture influence to Muslim world base on "the immorality", what positive you talking about?

Groups like:

- Doctors Without Borders (The Photographer | Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF)),
- Red Cross/Red Crescent (The ICRC in Afghanistan)
- Oxfam (https://www.oxfam.org.uk/what-we-do/countries-we-work-in/afghanistan)

All of these are examples of positive western influence in Afghanistan.

I am sorry about the afghni women that abused by the name of Islam .

as you talk about drone hit afghanis, don't tell me that you considerate domestic abuse women worst

then bombing them by drone ?

While it's hard to get reliable statistics on either issue, I think it's likely that more Afghan women are killed by their husbands than by American drones.

it's seems that you mixed between regional tradition and Islam,if their tradition is over islam teaching ,

how Islam could stop their abuse , if their had bad recieved teaching of Islam ?

If mistreatment of women is just "regional tradition", why is it so prevalent in countries where Islam is dominant?

Abuse woman is globale issue,it's not fair to stuck it to Islam,

Women in Muslim cultures tend to be much worse off than women elsewhere.

btw the west is not perfect place for women.

just tell how much western women bought her body or strip to gain money to live!!

**** THIS **** | Demotivation.us




So the western hasn't stopped this abuse , instead of that it's support the using of their women in immorality!!!

It's seems,that enorms women in the west becomes like slave (trade),they beieng used for money to make "fun" to men.

see , nobody is perfect here .

In my country, if a man is caught enslaving or imprisoning a woman, he's arrested and imprisoned and the woman is helped. What happens to a man in Saudi Arabia who forbids his wife from leaving the house?

 

[Godobeyer]

FWIW, I quit one job when the company I worked for was purchased
by a larger company that also had a division that refueled and rearmed American warplanes in Kuwait.
I didn't want to have anything to do with the Iraq War.

I admire you honestly again

that's mean it's suppose that know more about us ,
that there was many innocent soul in Iraq gone for nothing .

honeslty , that's mean you regret that you had refueled and rearmed American warplanes?

While it's hard to get reliable statistics on either issue,
I think it's likely that more Afghan women are killed by their husbands than by American drones.

I don't think Afghan men are vimpires or had the influence of the drone bombs.

- Doctors Without Borders (The Photographer | Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF)),
- Red Cross/Red Crescent (The ICRC in Afghanistan)
- Oxfam (https://www.oxfam.org.uk/what-we-do/...in/afghanistan)

All of these are examples of positive western influence in Afghanistan.

this is not culture , this is aides/help , yes there are positive western influence,inspite the negative .
.

If mistreatment of women is just "regional tradition", why is it so prevalent in countries where Islam is dominant?

that's what the western media mention ,i heard in TV , new static about women in west , that half million of british women is abused by their husband .

I will search for the link



mistreatment women is globle issue , so the western women are mistreatment when they had no
job to live, except the sexual job/strippers in shops or bars , like slaves .

maybe you did not saw the picture that i post ?

In my country, if a man is caught enslaving or imprisoning a woman, he's arrested and imprisoned and the woman is helped.
What happens to a man in Saudi Arabia who forbids his wife from leaving the house?

you suppose lived in kuweit , and you know much about us !!!

Saudi is religious country,because leaving the wife the house of her husband WITHOUT HIS PERMISSION is forbid ,
that's the marriage deal between the man and the woman .

The man in Islam is ONLY reponsible for his wife , so the wife should repect his effort for her .
I guess the Chiness women do same to their husbands , and hindus women too .

SO in the christianity, the christian wife should obey her husband , btw i made a thread about this before .


The obeidence of the wife to her husband it's not ONLY Islamic issue .

btw it's rarely (NOT MAJORITY ) to find a muslim woman disagree with this , so they (the majority of the muslims women) did not considerate this issue as problem to them.

 

[iamsharky789]

muslim women are increasing marrying more outside of their religion. I think it is the best thing for the religion to help it progress. See the thread: http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...8050-muslim-women-who-marries-non-muslim.html

 

[Godobeyer]

muslim women are increasing marrying more outside of their religion. I think it is the best thing for the religion to help it progress. See the thread: http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...8050-muslim-women-who-marries-non-muslim.html

If that really true ,NOT exagerate or Fake .
my reponse is:
That's up to them , i don't have God control on them

 

[iamsharky789]

If that really true ,NOT exagerate or Fake .
my reponse is:
That's up to them , i don't have God control on them

They do and they believe god is fine with it. It's their interpretation

 

[Godobeyer]

They do and they believe god is fine with it. It's their interpretation

that's up to them

 

[paarsurrey]

Ok, I'm not really sure where to create this thread so I'm sorry if this isn't the right place.
Anyways, I just learnt that Richard Dawkins, who spends a good portion of his hate towards Islam, has yet to read the Quran! How can he make up his mind regarding a whole religion solely based on different manifestations and interpretations that we see today, without even reading the religion's text?
Do you think it is ignorant, or does he have the right? My point isn't about Richard Dawkins or Islam, I'm just curious whether someone is right to judge a religion without at least a decent knowledge of its texts, traditions, or whatever defines it.
What do you think?

It is sure unbecoming of a scientist. Right?
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Reza Aslan ‏@rezaaslan 18 Mar 2013
This is perfect. @RichardDawkins says he's never read Quran but he's certain Islam is the "greatest force for evil today." Some scientist!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/307369895031603200

Regards

 

[psychoslice]

I believe that Richard Dawkins attacks anything that is a threat to the human society and freedom within that society, I have read the Quran and it made no difference to me, I thought it was all over the place personally, just like the bible, which many cherry pick, trying to avoid the bad bits that are embarrassing in a world today.

 

[The Ardent Atheist]

Ok, I'm not really sure where to create this thread so I'm sorry if this isn't the right place.

Anyways, I just learnt that Richard Dawkins, who spends a good portion of his hate towards Islam, has yet to read the Quran! How can he make up his mind regarding a whole religion solely based on different manifestations and interpretations that we see today, without even reading the religion's text?

Do you think it is ignorant, or does he have the right? My point isn't about Richard Dawkins or Islam, I'm just curious whether someone is right to judge a religion without at least a decent knowledge of its texts, traditions, or whatever defines it.

What do you think?

If a guy claims to be a Jedi, and if he commits atrocities in the name of his religion, must we watch Star Wars before criticizing him?

 

[RamaRaksha]

Reza Aslan ‏@rezaaslan 18 Mar 2013
This is perfect. @RichardDawkins says he's never read Quran but he's certain Islam is the "greatest force for evil today." Some scientist!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/307369895031603200

Regards

How about if the question is posed to them? Most muslims and christians say their religion is the only true religion, everyone else is going to hell. First how can they be so callous in saying that and 2nd how much do muslims and christians know about other religions before making such statements?

 

[RamaRaksha]

I believe that Richard Dawkins attacks anything that is a threat to the human society and freedom within that society, I have read the Quran and it made no difference to me, I thought it was all over the place personally, just like the bible, which many cherry pick, trying to avoid the bad bits that are embarrassing in a world today.

Also it's like saying how can you dismiss Cinderella story as a fairy tale without reading it? One doesn't have to read it - I am sure the Koran is wonderful with lots of great things that Muhammed is purported to have done but where is the evidence? none. I am sure Muhammed was a good man and did some wonderful things but that's the story of a man, that is no proof of God

 

[Shia Islam]

Ok, I'm not really sure where to create this thread so I'm sorry if this isn't the right place.

Anyways, I just learnt that Richard Dawkins, who spends a good portion of his hate towards Islam, has yet to read the Quran! How can he make up his mind regarding a whole religion solely based on different manifestations and interpretations that we see today, without even reading the religion's text?

Do you think it is ignorant, or does he have the right? My point isn't about Richard Dawkins or Islam, I'm just curious whether someone is right to judge a religion without at least a decent knowledge of its texts, traditions, or whatever defines it.

What do you think?

Once i have bought God Delusion book by Dawkins and downloaded many of the audio books online, which were made available by the modern atheists...

Honestly I found them Shallow..

I had the impression that, in general, the scholars in the west have moved away from philosophy to Science...

They put boundaries to their thinking...Their limit is the matter and the material world...

 

[paarsurrey]

How about if the question is posed to them? Most muslims and christians say their religion is the only true religion, everyone else is going to hell. First how can they be so callous in saying that and 2nd how much do muslims and christians know about other religions before making such statements?

Quran/Islam/Muhammad don't say that:

[5:70] Surely, those who have believed, and the Jews, and the Sabians, and the Christians — whoso believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good deeds, on them shall come no fear, nor shall they grieve.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse:&ch=5&verse=69​

Regards

 

[psychoslice]

Also it's like saying how can you dismiss Cinderella story as a fairy tale without reading it? One doesn't have to read it - I am sure the Koran is wonderful with lots of great things that Muhammed is purported to have done but where is the evidence? none. I am sure Muhammed was a good man and did some wonderful things but that's the story of a man, that is no proof of God

Yes that is so true, back then they made gods out of anyone who thought differently, even Julius Caesar was said to be born born of a virgin.

 

[paarsurrey]

Yes that is so true, back then they made gods out of anyone who thought differently, even Julius Caesar was said to be born born of a virgin.

Being born from a virgin does not make one G-d, it is for this Jesus is not a Christian-god.
There are many people reported to be born of a virgin.
Regards

 

[psychoslice]

Being born from a virgin does not make one G-d, it is for this Jesus is not a Christian-god.
There are many people reported to be born of a virgin.
Regards

Yes and all the stories of being born from a virgin were just that, stories, and yes non of them were gods, for there is no such thing as a god.

 

[McBell]

Yes and all the stories of being born from a virgin were just that, stories, and yes non of them were gods, for there is no such thing as a god.

It is possible to be born from a virgin.
Especially given the way they "tested" for virginity back then.

 

[paarsurrey]

It is possible to be born from a virgin.
Especially given the way they "tested" for virginity back then.

Even these days virgin births occur, but people don't believe them:

America's 'virgin births'? One in 200 mothers 'became pregnant without having sex'
The findings were based on a study of 7,870 women and girls aged 15 to 28

The Christmas issue of the BMJ reports that, of the women who took part in the study, 45 (0.5%) reported at least one virgin pregnancy, "unrelated to the use of assisted reproductive technology." GETTY IMAGES

The results of a long-term study of reproductive health, published in the British Medical Journal, have revealed that one in two hundred US women claim to have given birth without ever having had sexual intercourse.
The findings were based on a study of 7,870 women and girls aged 15 to 28, as part of the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, which ran from 1995 to 2009.
The Christmas issue of the BMJ reports that, of the women who took part in the study, 45 (0.5%) reported at least one virgin pregnancy, "unrelated to the use of assisted reproductive technology."
In short, they claimed to have conceived - yet had not had vaginal intercourse or in-vitro fertilisation (IVF).
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...came-pregnant-without-having-sex-9012360.html
Regards