psychoslice
Veteran Member
I cannot believe in a women getting pregnant without sperm entering the virginal cavity, and fertilizing the egg, well at least not back then.
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Richard Dawkins hasn't read the Quran yet.
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Richard Dawkins hasn't read the Quran yet
Now that Richard Dawkins has recovered from sickness, it is good chance for him to study Quran from cover to cover so that whenever he makes comments on Islam, he could quote from Quran to save himself from embarrassment.
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Now that Richard Dawkins has recovered from sickness, it is good chance for him to study Quran from cover to cover so that whenever he makes comments on Islam, he could quote from Quran to save himself from embarrassment.
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McBell
Unbound
What does that have to do with virginity?
Back then the "test" for virginity was the intactness of the hymen.
It is possible for a women to have sex without breaking the hymen.
It is also possible for women to get pregnant without sexual intercourse.
Shad
Veteran Member
Even these days virgin births occur, but people don't believe them:
America's 'virgin births'? One in 200 mothers 'became pregnant without having sex'
The findings were based on a study of 7,870 women and girls aged 15 to 28
The Christmas issue of the BMJ reports that, of the women who took part in the study, 45 (0.5%) reported at least one virgin pregnancy, "unrelated to the use of assisted reproductive technology." GETTY IMAGES
The results of a long-term study of reproductive health, published in the British Medical Journal, have revealed that one in two hundred US women claim to have given birth without ever having had sexual intercourse.
The findings were based on a study of 7,870 women and girls aged 15 to 28, as part of the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, which ran from 1995 to 2009.
The Christmas issue of the BMJ reports that, of the women who took part in the study, 45 (0.5%) reported at least one virgin pregnancy, "unrelated to the use of assisted reproductive technology."
In short, they claimed to have conceived - yet had not had vaginal intercourse or in-vitro fertilisation (IVF).
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...came-pregnant-without-having-sex-9012360.html
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Read your source again. Virgin birth was unlikely but human error was.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
The hymen is usually already broken through masturbation, and of course a women can get pregnant without sex, but the sperm had to come from someone, and it certainly wasn't god.
McBell
Unbound
Again, what does that have to do with virginity?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
But if the hymen is intact in a girl, yet the girl gets pregnant; could it be a clear sign that the girl got pregnant without having sex with a man.
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psychoslice
Veteran Member
Well everything, you just have your own mind made up to what you want to believe and you don't have the ability to see what others believe or share.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
But hen that couldn't happen, there is no god or spirit to make it happen, unless of course you belive in such stories.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Q."Could i get pregnant if my hymen is intact?"
A."Yes, you can get pregnant if your hymen is intact."
https://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100618185754AApHfA
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McBell
Unbound
Nope.
The hymen is one of the worse indications of virginity.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
The whole point is that no spirit pregnated Mary, hymen or no hymen, its just a story that has been used over and over, for anyone that you believe is too good to be born from a lowly human being.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
I don't believe that Mary was impregnated by any spirit or Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit only gave the tidings that she will give birth to a son:
The Holy Quran : Chapter 19: Maryam
[19:17]And relate the story of Mary as mentioned in the Book. When she withdrew from her people to a place to the east,
[19:18]And screened herself off from them, then We sent Our angel to her, and he appeared to her in the form of a perfect man.
[19:19]She said, ‘I seek refuge with the Gracious God from thee if indeed thou dost fear Him.’
[19:20]He replied, ‘I am only a Messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a righteous son.’
[19:21]She said, ‘How can I have a son when no man has touched me, neither have I been unchaste?’
[19:22]He replied, ‘Thus it is.’ But says thy Lord, ‘It is easy for Me; andWe shall do sothat We may make him a Sign unto men, and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing decreed.’
[19:23]So she conceived him, and withdrew with him to a remote place.
[19:24]And the pains of childbirth drove her unto the trunk of a palm-tree. She said, ‘O! would that I had died before this and had become a thing quite forgotten!’
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=19&verse=21
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Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
Ok, I'm not really sure where to create this thread so I'm sorry if this isn't the right place.
Anyways, I just learnt that Richard Dawkins, who spends a good portion of his hate towards Islam, has yet to read the Quran! How can he make up his mind regarding a whole religion solely based on different manifestations and interpretations that we see today, without even reading the religion's text?
Do you think it is ignorant, or does he have the right? My point isn't about Richard Dawkins or Islam, I'm just curious whether someone is right to judge a religion without at least a decent knowledge of its texts, traditions, or whatever defines it.
What do you think?
I think that if you want someone who does not believe in your invisible daddy, you simply need to provide the necessary evidence for his existence. Barring that, why should he waste his time reading your book?
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
Wouldn't that make her and adulteress and subject to stoning to death?
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Yep, where's my packet of gravel lol.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
One may criticize the person who has committed atrocities, rather the law should take its course against such a person. But why to blame the religion unnecessarily, if one has not read its teachings intently.
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Tomorrows_Child
Active Member
Richard Dawkins is an ignorant person, especially having come across several of his documentaries and interviews. The best of which was at the Oxford Union where his own ignorance and then blatant lying were called into question and he got all red faced and huffed and puffed his way through it. It was embarrassing to watch, simply as an academic.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
About the religion Islam/Quran/Muhammad he is simply ignorant and he should read Quran from cover to cover and then he should give his comments in a truthful manner. This is his right, he should avail it and this right should not be denied to him. I think he is hesitant due to the pressure of the fellow Atheism people.
Anybody's thoughts, please
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