Right and Wrong Reasons for being (A)theist

[Subduction Zone]

I disagree with that. Bible is not debunked and there is lot of reliable evidence for the great flood.

That is only because you do not understand either what is and what is not evidence of what the evidence tells us.

There is no scientific evidence for the flood at all. This is demonstrably true. To have scientific for an idea you first need a testable hypothesis. What hypothesis of the flood can you think of? What reasonable test would show it to be wrong if the flood never happened? If you can't think of a test then God hypothesis is not testable and as a result by definition you have no scientific evidence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Because they seem to be just wishful thinking and creative explaining. If one doesn’t like your explanation, there is no good reason to take any other explanation instead of yours.

No, his ideas are testable. Therefore neither wishful thinking not creative explaining. Your ideas on the other hand . . .

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

Because they seem to be just wishful thinking and creative explaining.

How is it wishful thinking? We can directly observe retroviruses making ERVs. We can directly observe common ancestry producing orthologous ERVs between individuals.

If one doesn’t like your explanation, there is no good reason to take any other explanation instead of yours.

Reality doesn't conform to what you like or don't like.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

I agree with you.
But it's only one way of seeing things.

There is only one reality, not multiple versions of reality for each person.

 

[Revoltingest]

There is only one reality, not multiple versions of reality for each person.

But there are multiple perspectives.
And I caution against anyone thinking
they grok the singular true reality,
with everyone else being wrong.
Reality is complicated & tricky.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

But there are multiple perspectives.
And I caution against anyone thinking
they grok the singular true reality,
with everyone else being wrong.
Reality is complicated & tricky.

There may be multiple perspectives, but there is only one reality. I, for one, don't buy into postmodernism where every idea is equally true. It's like giving everyone a first place trophy at a baseball tournament.

 

[1213]

How is it wishful thinking? We can directly observe retroviruses making ERVs. We can directly observe common ancestry producing orthologous ERVs between individuals.

Even if we could observe what happens in body today, it doesn’t mean that we have common ancestor with animals. The problem is not “retroviruses making ERVs”, but the claim it means we have common ancestor.

 

[1213]

...There is no scientific evidence for the flood at all..

First you should understand: Before the flood, there was only one continent, that was on top of huge water storage called the great deep. The earth, or dry land as the Bible says, was on top of vast water storage and supported by pillars of earth. Now, when the flood came, it is said that it happened when the fountains of great deep were burst open. This means, the original continent was broken and sunk. And when the dry land sunk, it seemed like water was swelling and rising. However, water level didn’t rise, it was the dry land that sunk, which looked like rising water. When all that happened, water washed dying organic material and sediments. Later, when the water begun to decrease, it was because the climate cooled, because of the heavy rain and vast water mass. Cooling caused the ice age and glaciers were formed on the poles.

Now, results of all that are:

- New continents

- Glaciers on the poles

- Vast sediment formations, orogenic mountains

- Marine fossils on high mountains

- Oil and gas fields (results of the organic material that was washed away

- Ancient coast lines on higher places

What do you think, can we find those in nature? If you say yes, we have evidence for the great flood.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Even if we could observe what happens in body today, it doesn’t mean that we have common ancestor with animals. The problem is not “retroviruses making ERVs”, but the claim it means we have common ancestor.

You need to understand this point:

ERV's are extremely strong evidence for common descent. The theory of evolution has mountains of scientific evidence supporting it. There is no scientific evidence for your beliefs. Understanding what is and what is not evidence would help you enormously.

 

[Subduction Zone]

First you should understand: Before the flood, there was only one continent, that was on top of huge water storage called the great deep. The earth, or dry land as the Bible says, was on top of vast water storage and supported by pillars of earth. Now, when the flood came, it is said that it happened when the fountains of great deep were burst open. This means, the original continent was broken and sunk. And when the dry land sunk, it seemed like water was swelling and rising. However, water level didn’t rise, it was the dry land that sunk, which looked like rising water. When all that happened, water washed dying organic material and sediments. Later, when the water begun to decrease, it was because the climate cooled, because of the heavy rain and vast water mass. Cooling caused the ice age and glaciers were formed on the poles.

Now, results of all that are:

- New continents

- Glaciers on the poles

- Vast sediment formations, orogenic mountains

- Marine fossils on high mountains

- Oil and gas fields (results of the organic material that was washed away

- Ancient coast lines on higher places

What do you think, can we find those in nature? If you say yes, we have evidence for the great flood.

Nope, we know when Pangaea broke up. It began about 200 million years ago long before the flood. You are relying on the misinterpretation of observations. That is not evidence for you beliefs. Once again, you need to take a time out and to learn what is and what is not evidence. All of the observations you mention are scientific evidence against the flood.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

Even if we could observe what happens in body today, it doesn’t mean that we have common ancestor with animals. The problem is not “retroviruses making ERVs”, but the claim it means we have common ancestor.

Why is that claim a problem? Is it only a problem because you don't like it?

 

[1213]

Why is that claim a problem? Is it only a problem because you don't like it?

It is problem, because it is only speculation. There is nothing to support it really, unless wishful thinking of atheists is counted.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It is problem, because it is only speculation. There is nothing to support it really, unless wishful thinking of atheists is counted.

You clearly do not understand the science well enough to make that claim. Why do you think it is speculation? How can a concept that is supported by mountains of evidence and is testable be speculation?

To me it seems that creationists think that the word "speculation" means "I do not understand that". Trust me, that is an incorrect definition.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

It is problem, because it is only speculation.

No, it isn't. We can directly observe common ancestry creating offspring that share the same ERVs at the same position in their genomes.

There is nothing to support it really, unless wishful thinking of atheists is counted.

ERVs support common ancestry. Did you miss those posts?