Right or wrong religion?

[Shantanu]

I would certainly never describe it in such terms!

You see if you follow the 4 Noble Truths and the Eightfold path, you not only attain a life without 'dukha', you are well on your way to nirvana given the right thoughts: that is what I mean by faith. I would need to go the the Buddhism DIR to review this for I am not clear on whether the Noble Truths are scientifically-based. What is your view?

 

[loverofhumanity]

I have noticed that some religious people often tend to think that the religion they follow is the only "right" religion. But in my head that sound in some way incorrect.

I think a religion that is right for me does not need feel right for others,
Any thoughts?

My understanding is truth exists in all religion but not all truth in only one religion.

 

[Spirit of Light]

My understanding is truth exists in all religion but not all truth in only one religion.

Exactly

 

[Shantanu]

My understanding is truth exists in all religion but not all truth in only one religion.

The limits of science has always limited our true knowledge of truth through the ages.

 

[Spirit of Light]

You see if you follow the 4 Noble Truths and the Eightfold path, you not only attain a life without 'dukha', you are well on your way to nirvana given the right thoughts: that is what I mean by faith. I would need to go the the Buddhism DIR to review this for I am not clear on whether the Noble Truths are scientifically-based. What is your view?

The four noble truths about suffering is

• The truth of suffering (Dukkha)
• The truth of the origin of suffering (Samudāya)
• The truth of the cessation of suffering (Nirodha)
• The truth of the path to the cessation of suffering (Magga)

And the answer to how to end suffering are found in the 8 foleded path

1. Right understanding (Samma ditthi)
2. Right thought (Samma sankappa)
3. Right speech (Samma vaca)
4. Right action (Samma kammanta)
5. Right livelihood (Samma ajiva)
6. Right effort (Samma vayama)
7. Right mindfulness (Samma sati)
8. Right concentration (Samma samadhi)

And in buddhist texts it is explained what the right way of the 8 folded path should be adressed

Buddhism does not say Science is wrong Buddhism just see it somewhat different

 

[Shantanu]

The four noble truths about suffering is

• The truth of suffering (Dukkha)
• The truth of the origin of suffering (Samudāya)
• The truth of the cessation of suffering (Nirodha)
• The truth of the path to the cessation of suffering (Magga)

And the answer to how to end suffering are found in the 8 foleded path

1. Right understanding (Samma ditthi)
2. Right thought (Samma sankappa)
3. Right speech (Samma vaca)
4. Right action (Samma kammanta)
5. Right livelihood (Samma ajiva)
6. Right effort (Samma vayama)
7. Right mindfulness (Samma sati)
8. Right concentration (Samma samadhi)

And in buddhist texts it is explained what the right way of the 8 folded path should be adressed

Buddhism does not say Science is wrong Buddhism just see it somewhat different

Is the origin of suffering (Samudaya) ignorance?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Is the origin of suffering (Samudaya) ignorance?

Ignorance is one of the reason suffering exist yes.
But also Greed, Hatred, Jealosy, lie. dislike, and so on lead to suffering.

The reason being that everything have an end, and humans do tend to cling to things that are good ro bad, they can not let go and just live in the moment

99% of humans live in the past of future not in the present moment

 

[loverofhumanity]

The limits of science has always limited our true knowledge of truth through the ages.

I myself personally see truth everywhere. In you there is truth. In every human being there is truth believer or not . In life and all existence there are so many truths.

 

[Shantanu]

Ignorance is one of the reason suffering exist yes.
But also Greed, Hatred, Jealosy, lie. dislike, and so on lead to suffering.

The reason being that everything have an end, and humans do tend to cling to things that are good ro bad, they can not let go and just live in the moment

99% of humans live in the past of future not in the present moment

That is where we diverge: to me ignorance is the only cause of suffering. greed, hatred jealousy etc are all due to ignorance.

 

[loverofhumanity]

The four noble truths about suffering is

• The truth of suffering (Dukkha)
• The truth of the origin of suffering (Samudāya)
• The truth of the cessation of suffering (Nirodha)
• The truth of the path to the cessation of suffering (Magga)

And the answer to how to end suffering are found in the 8 foleded path

1. Right understanding (Samma ditthi)
2. Right thought (Samma sankappa)
3. Right speech (Samma vaca)
4. Right action (Samma kammanta)
5. Right livelihood (Samma ajiva)
6. Right effort (Samma vayama)
7. Right mindfulness (Samma sati)
8. Right concentration (Samma samadhi)

And in buddhist texts it is explained what the right way of the 8 folded path should be adressed

Buddhism does not say Science is wrong Buddhism just see it somewhat different

Beautiful! I love the Buddhist teachings and lived in a Buddhist village in Burma for 5 years. I visited and learned meditation at a monestary and had the privilege of visiting many pagodas.

 

[Shantanu]

I myself personally see truth everywhere. In you there is truth. In every human being there is truth believer or not . In life and all existence there are so many truths.

I mean the total truth: the Ultimate Reality that exists: Knowing that is only when one has attained truth.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Beautiful! I love the Buddhist teachings and lived in a Buddhist village in Burma for 5 years. I visited and learned meditation at a monestary and had the privilege of visiting many pagodas.

Buddhism is a way of life and not only a religion I do not know to much about Baha`i but since i come to this forum i have seen some of you who come from that path, so i will take time to read about it so it will be more easy to in future discuss this topic too

 

[loverofhumanity]

I mean the total truth: the Ultimate Reality that exists: Knowing that is only when one has attained truth.

I know very little. The Ultimate Reality I know of but know very little.

 

[Shantanu]

I know very little. The Ultimate Reality I know of but know very little.

There is always time to learn.

 

[loverofhumanity]

There is always time to learn.

Always!

 

[Shantanu]

Always!

Of course: one distills ideas in one's mind to chart the right course for the determination of truth.

 

[Windwalker]

That's an effect of being part of the material universe.

To be programmed our whole lives through culture and language to see the world as divided is what is behind our dualistic perceptions. Simply being in the material world is not something which innately causes this division. One can live fully in the material world, and yet see God and the world as One. Such is the nature of nonduality. That's just simply pulling back the veil of our perceived realities to see Reality as it simply is, which is both One and many.

 

[Shantanu]

To be programmed our whole lives through culture and language to see the world as divided is what is behind our dualistic perceptions. Simply being in the material world is not something which innately causes this division. One can live fully in the material world, and yet see God and the world as One. Such is the nature of nonduality.

Provided you attain Godhood.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Sorry for all the confusion.... Now, do you understand my position?

If you really are trying to say something like "you don't need faith to kniw your iwn mind," then I understand it. Otherwise, no.

 

[Windwalker]

Provided you attain Godhood.

I prefer dropping language such as "attain Godhood", as if it were something you don't have already and have to get. In reality, that's like saying we "attain our lungs", or we acquired our eyes. It's not something outside of us we have to "get".

To imagine we "attain Godhood" is a fantastic doorway for the ego to fool us into thinking we have "arrived". It reinforced remaining in the perceptions of the ego, which then keeps ourselves from actually realizing the Truth of what we all fully, and always, are already, by telling us we "got it" now. No. You already have it. There is nothing to attain. It's simply Awakening to what you always have been, and the realization all the rest is merely an illusion of the mind.