Rittenhouse, the proof is in the pudding....

[John53]

I do understand.
That's why I cut back on my jerkism by a full 10% for you.

Let it flow, it entertains me

 

[ecco]

Well... I know they are not much to to look at, but the feral Portland rioters will just have to do.

Not even close. A nice juicy butterball made even tastier by the alligator tears.

 

[ecco]

I find it amazing how I on the other side of the Atlantic manage to watch the videos of the incidents yet quite a lot Americans apparently can't or won't.

Americans be weird.

Even more weird is that cameras are not allowed in Federal courts. All the 1/6 rioters are being tried in Federal courts and are spared any and all public viewing.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why do you say that? He's certainly friendly with white supremacists.

He was photographed with some. He would have been recognizable to them And it would have been very easy to use him. Are you aware that the so called "white supremacists hand signal" is just the OK sign? How easy would it be to ask Rittenhouse to say that he was okay by flashing the sign in a photograph. I think that far more on the left know that that sign has been coopted than people on the right know about it.

Not true. It was there illegally; it's just that the crime was committed by someone other than Rittenhouse:

Even that is debatable. Rittenhouse supposedly gave him the money to buy it and hold it for him until he turned 18. He let Rittenhouse "borrow" his gun while up there. It would have been illegal if Rittenhouse took it and kept it. The straw purchase charges are apt to fail too if they cannot show that Rittenhouse took the gun home at any time.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The twelve people who took 3 days to decide that there was more than a reasonable doubt of Rittenhouse's guilt? Those 12 people?

Yes, the twelve people that were vetted before they were chosen. The twelve people that saw far more evidence than you did. For example, what was most likely in the plastic bag thrown by Rosenbaum. How was that conclusion reasonably drawn?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Yes, the twelve people that were vetted before they were chosen. The twelve people that saw far more evidence than you did. For example, what was most likely in the plastic bag thrown by Rosenbaum. How was that conclusion reasonably drawn?

You missed my point. That's okay.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You missed my point. That's okay.

Did you even have a point? If you think that you made one you failed. But that's okay. I know, justice is unpleasant when it is not what you wish. The prosecutor rushed to charge Rittenhouse due to emotion and because of that he lost.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Did you even have a point?

Maybe read back a few posts in a thread before you jump into a conversation. It will help you understand the context.

@Wildswanderer said that it was "clear" to the jury that Rittenhouse acted in self defense. The fact that they had to deliberate for 3 days before coming to a verdict suggests that they didn't consider this clear at all.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Maybe read back a few posts in a thread before you jump into a conversation. It will help you understand the context.

@Wildswanderer said that it was "clear" to the jury that Rittenhouse acted in self defense. The fact that they had to deliberate for 3 days before coming to a verdict suggests that they didn't consider this clear at all.

When they rejected all of the charges, including the ability to find guilty on lesser charges that were added at the end of the trial I would say that it was clear to them that it was self defense. They had to have understood how important this trial was. Even if one tried to ignore the news one could not avoid all of it. To me it looked like that they wanted to be absolutely sure. Don't you think that if it was not clear to at least one juror that he or she might have held out for a hung jury?

 

[We Never Know]

For those saying Kyle is a white supremacist...


Kyle Rittenhouse says in a new interview that he's “not a racist person” and supports the Black Lives Matter movement.

Rittenhouse tells Fox News 'not a racist person,' backs BLM

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

For those saying Kyle is a white supremacist...


Kyle Rittenhouse says in a new interview that he's “not a racist person” and supports the Black Lives Matter movement.

Rittenhouse tells Fox News 'not a racist person,' backs BLM

"Not a racist person," but the sort of person racists will serenade with their anthem. Right.

 

[tytlyf]

For those saying Kyle is a white supremacist...


Kyle Rittenhouse says in a new interview that he's “not a racist person” and supports the Black Lives Matter movement.

Rittenhouse tells Fox News 'not a racist person,' backs BLM

If you don't want to be labeled a white supremacist, don't hang out with white supremacists.
Additionally, don't throw around white supremacist hand signs if you don't want to be labeled a white supremacist.
His actions speak louder than his words.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If you don't want to be labeled a white supremacist, don't hang out with white supremacists.
Additionally, don't throw around white supremacist hand signs if you don't want to be labeled a white supremacist.
His actions speak louder than his words.

Sorry, but the "white supremacist handsign" claim is a very weak one. The white supremacists co-opted a very common handsign. Is anyone that uses the "OK" sign a white supremacist"?

 

[esmith]

Sorry, but the "white supremacist handsign" claim is a very weak one. The white supremacists co-opted a very common handsign. Is anyone that uses the "OK" sign a white supremacist"?

Only in the eyes of those that have been programed by those that see a white suremacist behind every bush.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Sorry, but the "white supremacist handsign" claim is a very weak one. The white supremacists co-opted a very common handsign. Is anyone that uses the "OK" sign a white supremacist"?

Yes, because flashing an "OK" sign for photos was a big thing with the kids before the white supremacists co-opted it.

If it's just Rittenhouse's thing and doesn't have anything to do with racism, I'm sure there are all sorts of examples of him flashing an "OK" sign when he isn't posing for photos with a bunch of Proud Boys.

You have those, right?

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Only in the eyes of those that have been programed by those that see a white suremacist behind every bush.

But also in the eyes of those who are white supremacists and see Kyle as an easy mascot to use, as seems to be the case given the video and pictures of him at that bar.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Only in the eyes of those that have been programed by those that see a white suremacist behind every bush.

Personally, I wouldn't automatically assume that an "OK" sign was meant to be a white power symbol. I'd need something more.

Maybe, oh... if someone flashed the symbol while posing with Proud Boys who had just serenaded him with their anthem. Then I would infer that it was meant to be a white power symbol.

Just as a "for instance."

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, because flashing an "OK" sign for photos was a big thing with the kids before the white supremacists co-opted it.

If it's just Rittenhouse's thing and doesn't have anything to do with racism, I'm sure there are all sorts of examples of him flashing an "OK" sign when he isn't posing for photos with a bunch of Proud Boys.

You have those, right?

I already explained this to you. You are grasping at straws now. It would be so easy to set up an innocent who had been abused by the system. And yes, over charging someone using the legal system is abuse.

 

[Subduction Zone]

But also in the eyes of those who are white supremacists and see Kyle as an easy mascot to use, as seems to be the case given the video and pictures of him at that bar.

That was likely the case. The white supremacists may even have known where he would be. He would have been very easy to use for their cause. Appear to be supporting him, asking if he was alright. Ask him to show others that he is "okay" in photos.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

That was likely the case. The white supremacists may even have known where he would be. He would have been very easy to use for their cause. Appear to be supporting him, asking if he was alright. Ask him to show others that he is "okay" in photos.

I am very much playing a fencesitter in this, because one of the many tragedies is how this 17 year old has (partially due to his own behavior as well as the adults that should have stepped in at various points) become one of the many symbols of the divisiveness of American culture now.

I am not sure if he was or will be a white supremacist or if he will continue towards more violence. Unfortunately, the signs point towards him becoming a figurehead in far-right extremist groups. I can't help but suspect this isn't a new world for him, but that's just my gut reaction.

www.wisn.com/amp/article/kyle-rittenhouse-case-americans-see-what-they-want-to-see/38117410