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road-tested technology in the U.S. Patent Office allow cars and trucks to run on hydrogen extracted from tap water by electrolysis...

Redneck Mystic

Active Member

In early 2017, a man emailed me that angels told him in his sleep to contact me and he resisted calling me until it became unbearable inside of him and he called me, and thus did I began to get to know a man about half my age, whom I would learn in steps is incredibly skilled at many things. He remembered everything he read. I figured his IQ was around 170. Based on many reports from him of angels visiting and talking with him when he was awake and in his sleep, which was new to him, I told him that he had been dragooned by angels It knew all too well and by angels I did not know well, and to grab his best hold. One of his fields of expertise is he can take apart and put back together just about anything that uses an internal combustion engine: cars, trucks, motorcycles, and tractors. Besides regular cars and trucks, he worked on Lotus, Porsche and Ferrari. He is a welder and a machinist. He taught economics in several colleges. He told me about technology in the U.S. Patent Office in Washington, D.C. that allows cars and trucks to run on hydrogen extracted from tap water for what a local water company charge$ for water. The day before yesterday, I asked him to write it down and he did, and I read it, and we talked about some parts of it, and he added a little more to it, and here it is, and below it are my mechanically retarded thoughts about what should have happened in the 1990s and it would have changed the world as we know it. Here is his email to me:
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The Hydrogen powered car is a reality. When it is looked back on, T. Townsend Brown will be the father. Mr. Brown engineered a series of vehicles and internal combustion engines to run on hydrogen and the hydrogen relative known as Yull Brown’s Gas(HHO also called oxyhydrogen). T.T. Brown did this in his lab at Winston Salem NC. The thing that scared so many people aware of his successes was that violent blowback, backfires, and internal flame were inherently an issue with early development of hydrogen as a fuel. With the flammability/combustibility of hydrogen the gas required careful regulation, precisely machined throttle systems, and owners who would take care of their vehicles. Townsend Brown conceptualized two methods: a fuel cell that would contain hydrogen or brown’s gas and protect driver’s from explosions. Brown also proposed that if an anhydride could be formulated, just as kitty litter soaks up the ammonia from cat urine- the right anhydride could be engineered to suck up hydrogen and render it safe
The Atomic Energy Commission was not so happy with Lazar- the anhydride he was manufacturing could potentially be made with a particle accelerator and in the cleaving of hydrogen from water, someone might make a hydrogen bomb. This in the words of Penn & Teller: bull****! Electrolysis could do no such thing with water, it simply transitions water from a liquid to either hydrogen and oxygen or Brown’s gas.
Nevada Representative and later Senator Harry Reid was no friend of development of hydrogen engine. He encouraged overzealous regulatory behavior which stopped much promising research and development, putting pressure on the AEC which was headquartered at Nevada's National Security Site, known informally as Los Alamos National Laboratory.
Lazar was never allowed to market his system because the AEC was hung up on the anhydride. Because Lazar’s patents were restricted, people cannot look at the rough sketch of his system or his anhydride. Lazar’s technology could be installed in a new or used car or truck. In 1992, Lazar advertised $8,000 to put his tech in a car or truck.
In the meantime, others have had special shielding equipment made into their trunks and they install small to medium cylinders of hydrogen, regulators, and then run metal tubing into their fuel injection systems and some will add different methods of top cylinder lubrication. Some produce their own Brown’s Gas via Electrolysis and some refine it further to just get the hydrogen. They use it to charge their cylinders.
For a car the size of a 4 door Toyota Yaris or Prius the 1.6litre engine can range 220-240 miles off a gallon of water, being very precise with the stoichiometry. A heavier sedan with a 2.0 to 2.2 liter engine can range 200 miles on hydrogen or Brown’s gas generated at home.
However as the National Transportation Safety Administration have pointed out on numerous occasions, tanker trucks(18 wheelers) which haul volatile chemicals in gaseous form or at the precipice of change from liquid to gas, to make the hauling of anhydrous ammonia safer, to make hauling acetylene used in cutting torches, propane= anhydrides have been developed to line the tankers hauled on US highways. Those patents are not trade secrets and they use much prior art that is public. The result is quite simply that anhydrides are being developed by private citizens and private corporations to further reduce the risk of the use of hydrogen as fuel. Different methods and different materials, some inspired by kids toys, some inspired by industrial and agricultural applications, and some inspired by government/armed forces use.
There is tremendous potential energy in water. Burning hydrogen is clean and the combustion of the Brown’s gas can lead to the by-product of oxygen release.
Toyota, GM, Hyundai, and Honda have all built hydrogen vehicles and made them safe enough to lease to people who report excellent driveability. They are:
GM Electrovan
Toyota FCHV
Honda FC
Hyundai Tuscon
Toyota Mirai
It is strange that corporations are several generations into hydrogen vehicles. Private citizen scientists, engineers, and tinkerers are coming up with their own home brew setups. But mass production is headed off by the US federal government and automakers who will only test their vehicles off US shores and not sell them, only lease them. Even when the projects are a success the vehicles are recalled as property of the companies and they are destroyed.
Electric vehicles use electricity we don’t have due to the fact we are using the maximum natural resources we have. The batteries that propel these vehicles eventually quit taking a charge- that is the nature of a battery. The problem is that we then have to deal with the waste created by these huge batteries and much of that waste is toxic. How many Yucca Mountains can we have in this country? We should not have the Yucca Mountain we have.
The Buffalo Springfield band had a song: “There’s something happening here, and what it is ain’t exactly clear… …stop, baby, what’s that sound, everybody look what’s going down...”
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My mechanically retarded thoughts.
Putting the Brown/Lazar technology in new cars and trucks worldwide would make Mother Nature’s land, sea and air creatures and Her waters, land, air and atmosphere very happy, and would destroy the economies of countries whose main cash cow is oil production. Russia would be up **** creek, as would Iran and the oil producing nations in the Middle East and Venezuela. The oil industries in countries like America, Canada, Great Britain and Norway would be devastated.
Adios gas stations in America and everywhere else. Adios Tesla, etc. The cost of car and truck fuel would be so low that it would be irrelevant. The fuel cost saving$ would be MASSIVE in the private, industrial, manufacturing and all business and government sectors.
I live in a 1950s vintage apartment building in Birmingham, Alabama. All of the tenants park their cars and trucks on the street. There are thousands of apartment buildings in Birmingham, which have only street parking. Where will their tenants charge their electric car batteries? Rhetorical question. Where will Birmingham warehouse worn out several thousand pound electric car batteries full of toxic waste?
Every town, city and county in America will be just like Birmingham if America goes to fully electric cars and trucks. Factor in the rest of the world. That’s CRAZY, when cars and trucks can run on tap water, and humanity can save Mother Nature and the Planet and, DUH, humanity and its pocketbook by using the Brown-Lazar technology in cars and trucks.
 

Redneck Mystic

Active Member
Did you read the email my mechanic friend sent to me? If so, what parts of it do you dispute, and why? And, are you a mechanic?
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
They've been talking about water cars for decades. They don't exist.
Not to mention the mysterious untimely deaths of the inventors of hydrogen power cars , but truth be told if you want to get me off fossil fuels, hydrogen is the way to go about it.

One thing you're wrong about however is hydrogen power vehicles do exist.

Looky here!.....

 

Redneck Mystic

Active Member
Not to mention the mysterious untimely deaths of the inventors of hydrogen power cars , but truth be told if you want to get me off fossil fuels, hydrogen is the way to go about it.

One thing you're wrong about however is hydrogen power vehicles do exist.

Looky here!.....

Gracias, will share hydrogen-powered submarine article with my mechanic friend, in case he does't know about it. It looks to mechanical retard me like a very different technology than the Brown-Lazar technology.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Gracias, will share hydrogen-powered submarine article with my mechanic friend, in case he does't know about it. It looks to mechanical retard me like a very different technology than the Brown-Lazar technology.
Giving this is from MIT it should make for a compelling topic.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Did you read the email my mechanic friend sent to me? If so, what parts of it do you dispute, and why? And, are you a mechanic?
I dispute the entire thing. People have been talking about this since the 70s. Plus, assuming it can be done, we aren't talkimg about something youd install in the engine but it would necessarily require and entirely different and new engine designed to burn water. As it is right now, I don't care what you put in it water will kill your engine via hydrolock.
Amd, yes I am a mechanic.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I dispute the entire thing. People have been talking about this since the 70s. Plus, assuming it can be done, we aren't talkimg about something youd install in the engine but it would necessarily require and entirely different and new engine designed to burn water. As it is right now, I don't care what you put in it water will kill your engine via hydrolock.
Amd, yes I am a mechanic.
Water can be injected into engines in small amounts.
This is tech over a century old to prevent pre-ignition.
It's used on my 100+ year old Mietz & Weiss oil engine
(sometimes called a "semi-diesel" because it's compression
ignition assisted by an incandescent surface).
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I dispute the entire thing. People have been talking about this since the 70s. Plus, assuming it can be done, we aren't talkimg about something youd install in the engine but it would necessarily require and entirely different and new engine designed to burn water. As it is right now, I don't care what you put in it water will kill your engine via hydrolock.
Amd, yes I am a mechanic.
The way you're describing it, I don't think you are a mechanic.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Water can be injected into engines in small amounts.
This is tech over a century old to prevent pre-ignition.
It's used on my 100+ year old Mietz & Weiss oil engine
(sometimes called a "semi-diesel" because it's compression
ignition assisted by an incandescent surface).
Plus hydrogen isn't as energy dense as other fuels. It would work in a piston engine , but not very well.

Most would go for hydrogen in a fuel cell to power electric cars. Novel!
 

Redneck Mystic

Active Member
I dispute the entire thing. People have been talking about this since the 70s. Plus, assuming it can be done, we aren't talkimg about something youd install in the engine but it would necessarily require and entirely different and new engine designed to burn water. As it is right now, I don't care what you put in it water will kill your engine via hydrolock.
Amd, yes I am a mechanic.
How do you explain several auto makers road tested the tech in cars they made? As I understood my mechanic friend, its device that can be installed in new and existing vehicles
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Plus hydrogen isn't as energy dense as other fuels. It would work in a piston engine , but not very well.
It works very well in piston engines.
It has for over 150 years, starting with Lenoir,
& finally made commercially viable by Otto.
Hydrogen was originally typically mixed with
methane & CO for various technical reasons.
Nowadays, we mix it with propane.
But I'm just stating the obvious that everyone
knows.
Most would go for hydrogen in a fuel cell to power electric cars. Novel!
That would be better than an IC engine.

Energy density is only one of the problems of H2.
It also leaks easily (diffuses right thru solid steel,
which makes it brittle) & requires high pressures.
So it would suit some applications, but not others.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
How do you explain several auto makers road tested the tech in cars they made? As I understood my mechanic friend, its device that can be installed in new and existing vehicles
Ya canna burn water.
It's already a product of combustion.
To dissociate it into O2 & H2 requires more
energy than can be obtained from burning
them. Why?
Thermodynamics says there's no free lunch.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
Ya canna burn water.
It's already a product of combustion.
To dissociate it into O2 & H2 requires more
energy than can be obtained from burning
them. Why?
Thermodynamics says there's no free lunch.

Came by to mention this same thing. Takes more energy to breakdown then we receive in return making it wasteful.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
Plus hydrogen isn't as energy dense as other fuels. It would work in a piston engine , but not very well.

Most would go for hydrogen in a fuel cell to power electric cars. Novel!
Hydrogen burns with an implosion, not an explosion, and has been used in piston fired engines. The implosion does not produce heat, but rather generates cold, so the technology would be perfect for refrigerated trucks.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
According to my mechanic friend, several auto makers made vehicles that went 200-250 miles on a gallon of tapwater, and they would have gone into p;roductiion in America, if the US Government allowed it.
"Most proposed water-fuelled cars rely on some form of electrolysis to separate water into hydrogen and oxygen and then recombine them to release energy; however, the first and second law of thermodynamics guarantee that the energy required to separate the elements will always be at least as great as the useful energy released, so this cannot be used to produce net energy."

 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Did you read the email my mechanic friend sent to me? If so, what parts of it do you dispute, and why? And, are you a mechanic?
He is not much of a mechanic and he is far from being a genius. There are far more efficient ways to use hydrogen than in an ICE. And there is a reason that hydrogen gas is never used in a motor vehicle. At least not for long:

 
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