road-tested technology in the U.S. Patent Office allow cars and trucks to run on hydrogen extracted from tap water by electrolysis...

[Redneck Mystic]

relevance to what my mechanic friend reported and explained?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The way you're describing it, I don't think you are a mechanic.

How many cars have you worked on? How many have you made into tuners? Have any private clients you do work for?
Water cars/engines don't exist. Even if they did an engine designed for unleaded petro will not run on water by installing a kit. The laws of physics will not allow for it. If hydrolock didn't kill the engine (no if, it will) the rust will. But that's not even the first issue. It's the engines don't exist and the physics of it won't allow for an unleaded or diesel internal combustion engine to run on.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

relevance to what my mechanic friend reported and explained?

My high school small engines teacher dispelled this myth and this was decades ago. Your friend may need some remedial physics courses and should probably learn how engines really work if he works on them.

 

[Revoltingest]

So does internal combustion technology. The difference is, like I mentioned in my last post, decades and billions of dollars of research and development has gone into IC tech.

Money was invested in IC engines because there'
so much room for improvement in something
so popular, & with such big earning/savings
potential.

But what are the problems that you see with hydrogen fuel cell tech?

Hydrogen requires very high pressures.
Low energy density.
It diffuses right thru solid metal, weakening it in the process.
Hydrogen isn't an energy source....it's like a battery in that
energy is required to create/charge it. A source for that energy
hasn't been practical until solar, wind & hydro power expanded.

The biggest hurdle to making money from it is, again like I mentioned in my previous post, the fact that it would be almost impossible to monopolize it.

No current energy source is monopolized.

The fact that it's becoming important to the public is what matters from a money making standpoint.

A hydrogen infrastructure would be costlier,
but that becomes practical as the full costs
of fossil fuels become recognized, eg, AGW,
pollution, diminishing supply.

 

[Redneck Mystic]

It surprised a lot of us, particularly because Elon Musk had been known to express contempt for the concept in the past. He's done a complete 180 since though:

gracias

 

[Revoltingest]

Modern, unleaded car engines don't do well with water. This is why cold air intakes have covers for the filter to keep water out.

Water injection isn't useful anymore.
It's inefficient compared to computer
controls to prevent pre-ignition.

 

[Revoltingest]

relevance to this post, other than idiocy comes in many forms?

Mechanics generally aren't reliable sources of
info regarding things involving thermodynamic.

 

[Redneck Mystic]

Money was invested in IC engines because there'
so much room for improvement in something
so popular, & with such big earning/savings
potential.

Hydrogen requires very high pressures.
Low energy density.
It diffuses right thru solid metal, weakening it in the process.
Hydrogen isn't an energy source....it's like a battery in that
energy is required to create/charge it. A source for that energy
hasn't been practical until solar, wind & hydro power expanded.

No current energy source is monopolized.

A hydrogen infrastructure would be costlier,
but that becomes practical as the full costs
of fossil fuels become recognized, eg, AGW,
pollution, diminishing supply.

It’s simply a device that can be installed in vehicles and they run on hydrogen separated from water, even if they were made to run on gasoline.

 

[Revoltingest]

It surprised a lot of us, particularly because Elon Musk had been known to express contempt for the concept in the past. He's done a complete 180 since though:

"The government isn't allowing us to continue our research".
Yeah....right.
If the public took basic courses in thermodynamics, such
videos would disappear.

 

[Quagmire]

I know a mechanic who claimed he could
make an anti-gravity field by spinning mercury
really fast. His research never reached fruition.
Mercury vortex idiocy is all over the internet.

Cool! Any video showing the concept in action?

Because there are quite a few hydrogen fuel cell powered vehicle videos out there

(Note: I purposely chose videos from the pre AI video generation era)

Here's Toyota getting on board:

Here's their prototype on the road:

Heres a hydrogen fuel cell powered scooter from a video made 14 years ago:

That's just a quick YouTube search.

 

[Revoltingest]

It’s simply a device that can be installed in vehicles and they run on hydrogen separated from water, even if they were made to run on gasoline.

How much energy is used to separate 1 gallon of water into H2 & O2?
How much energy is obtained from burning this H2 & O2?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It’s simply a device that can be installed in vehicles and they run on hydrogen separated from water, even if they were made to run on gasoline.

Dude, that will not work. Literally you would have to install a new engine, new ECU, new fuel injectors, basically new everything revolving around the engine. Even the radiator amd overall cooling system wouldn't work rigjt because suddenly it would be working with different temperatures (the thermostat would go haywire). This wouldn't be a device but a new engine and system.

 

[Quagmire]

"The government isn't allowing us to continue our research".
Yeah....right.
If the public took basic courses in thermodynamics, such
videos would disappear.

That's a big Whatever burger.

 

[Revoltingest]

Cool! Any video showing the concept in action?

Alas, anti-gravity field research hasn't yielded any products.

Because there are quite a few hydrogen fuel cell powered vehicle videos out there

Powering a car with a hydrogen fuel cell is old technology.
The problem is with people believing that they can
get it from water in the car's tank.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's a big Whatever burger.

More engine myth fun....

10 Fuel-saving Device Hoaxes

For as long as we've complained about gas prices, there's been an army of inventors offering devices to stretch our mileage further. But which ones work and which are hoaxes?

auto.howstuffworks.com

I even recall someone selling a device using "pyramid power".
Just run the fuel thru a pyramid, & it would contain more energy.

 

[Quagmire]

Alas, anti-gravity field research hasn't yielded any products.

Then what was your point in comparing it to hydrogen fuel cell technology?

Powering a car with a hydrogen fuel cell is old technology.
The problem is with people believing that they can
get it from water in the car's tank.

Why is that a problem? If they're wrong, don't do that.

 

[Quagmire]

More engine myth fun....

10 Fuel-saving Device Hoaxes

For as long as we've complained about gas prices, there's been an army of inventors offering devices to stretch our mileage further. But which ones work and which are hoaxes?

auto.howstuffworks.com

So you're saying that all those videos I posted are part of a hoax?

 

[Redneck Mystic]

Dude, that will not work. Literally you would have to install a new engine, new ECU, new fuel injectors, basically new everything revolving around the engine. Even the radiator amd overall cooling system wouldn't work rigjt because suddenly it would be working with different temperatures (the thermostat would go haywire). This wouldn't be a device but a new engine and system.

well, I would agree with you, but my friend said otherwise, so I will tell him what you said. On the phone just now, he said the device can but put into any car or truck designed to run on gasoline.

 

[Revoltingest]

Then what was your point in comparing it to hydrogen fuel cell technology?

I was comparing it to using on-board hydrolysis to create energy.

Why is that a problem? If they're wrong, don't do that.

Sounds good to me!

 

[Revoltingest]

So you're saying that all those videos I posted are part of a hoax?

No...your videos look (without watching them) cromulent.
They don't appear to claim getting free energy from water.