Romans 6:23

[savagewind]

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

It just means that when a person keeps on sinning for sinning's sake (because every one of us misses the mark, and we do that often) he won't get paid with the good and perfect presents from Jehovah. What he will get is death. Heads up! We all get that. So, because we all die then the natural death is not what Romans 6:23 means.

17 Every good gift and every perfect present is from above,+ coming down from the Father of the celestial lights,+

If you leave the path of sinning (though you still will sin) you will be rewarded for your earnest effort. God is building. 1 Corinthians 3:9

Now, I might be wrong (sinning) about my contention here that it doesn't mean that God has a building (noun), but the God is building (verb).

 

[idav]

Right, Jesus is supposed to have been sinless but yet died on the cross. What were the wages of sin that killed Jesus?

 

[savagewind]

Right, Jesus is supposed to have been sinless but yet died on the cross. What were the wages of sin that killed Jesus?

People will say that our sins are what killed him.

 

[savagewind]

Thank you @idav You are not a chicken without his head, imo.

The discussion "the wages sin pays is death" is just there to compare the opposite.

Choose The Way and you will be rewarded. Don't choose The Way and what you will receive from Jehovah is death. I think he was trying to be poetic and I am sure he is sorry for that!

 

[WalterTrull]

People will say that our sins are what killed him.

Weelll... I believe in the Holy Ghost (although my definition could be somewhat different). I believe in the Christ (a choosing by the Holy Ghost). I think the only way Jesus could bring us the wine and allay the fear of death was by doing what he did. So... sort of.

 

[socharlie]

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

It just means that when a person keeps on sinning for sinning's sake (because every one of us misses the mark, and we do that often) he won't get paid with the good and perfect presents from Jehovah. What he will get is death. Heads up! We all get that. So, because we all die then the natural death is not what Romans 6:23 means.

17 Every good gift and every perfect present is from above,+ coming down from the Father of the celestial lights,+

If you leave the path of sinning (though you still will sin) you will be rewarded for your earnest effort. God is building. 1 Corinthians 3:9

Now, I might be wrong (sinning) about my contention here that it doesn't mean that God has a building (noun), but the God is building (verb).

for those who fall under 1 Cor 2:15 sin is "an error of the understanding" (Strong's)
for those who fall under 1 Cor 2:14 sin is a transgression.
so for 1 Cor 2 :15 Christ Jesus removes ignorance.
for 1 Cor 2 :14 Jesus Christ removes transgressions by His Blood.
important side of removal of ignorance - enlightenment is "might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives." ( Heb 2:15)
Death for 1 Cor 2:14 is physical death and resurrection is return of physical being,
for 1 Cor 2:15 death is non existent because we are spiritual entities and resurrection mean transition from spiritually dead to spiritual life - from first Adam to Christ.

 

[sun rise]

People will say that our sins are what killed him.

There are different paradigms about Jesus's suffering. This is part of a New Troubadours song which treats Jesus as an incarnation of the eternal Christ (Avatar) and focuses not on sin and virtue but on a less bipolar dimension:

When men have lost their way
And know not where to turn,
And the future seems to end
Where the fires of hatred burn,
Then let men look within
To see the rising of my flame
Of love to light the way again.

I am Love.
I am Truth.
I am the power of the Son.
I am the Light within all men
The spirit of the One.

When darkness seeks to hold
The hears of men in fear,
When men cry out for help
And no one seems to hear,
That is when I rise again
To shatter forms enslaving men
To let a newer world be born.

I am Light.
I am Truth.
I am the freedom of the Son.
I am the destiny of Man,
The triumph of the One.

In My Name Lyrics

 

[idav]

Thank you @idav You are not a chicken without his head, imo.

The discussion "the wages sin pays is death" is just there to compare the opposite.

Choose The Way and you will be rewarded. Don't choose The Way and what you will receive from Jehovah is death. I think he was trying to be poetic and I am sure he is sorry for that!

So is the life eternal part poetic also?

 

[savagewind]

So is the life eternal part poetic also?

It is everything.

 

[InChrist]

Right, Jesus is supposed to have been sinless but yet died on the cross. What were the wages of sin that killed Jesus?

And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. 1 John 2:2

In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
1 John 4:10

 

[Axe Elf]

The wages of sin is death, but after taxes, it's more like a bad cold.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Right, Jesus is supposed to have been sinless but yet died on the cross. What were the wages of sin that killed Jesus?

People killed him, not sin.

 

[idav]

People killed him, not sin.

Please elaborate.
Romans 6:21:23
21What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[David T]

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

It just means that when a person keeps on sinning for sinning's sake (because every one of us misses the mark, and we do that often) he won't get paid with the good and perfect presents from Jehovah. What he will get is death. Heads up! We all get that. So, because we all die then the natural death is not what Romans 6:23 means.

17 Every good gift and every perfect present is from above,+ coming down from the Father of the celestial lights,+

If you leave the path of sinning (though you still will sin) you will be rewarded for your earnest effort. God is building. 1 Corinthians 3:9

Now, I might be wrong (sinning) about my contention here that it doesn't mean that God has a building (noun), but the God is building (verb).

I would be careful understanding anything about the topic god or the bible in Samuel Rutherfordian fashion at all. He is nuts. Seems that the originally Christianity was trying to kill what eventually became modern Christianity a literary cult disassociated from reality disconnected from nature. Interesting how That happens.
God has sold the forest to death – Samuel Rutherford





“Build your nest upon no tree here; for you see God has sold the forest to death.

 

[savagewind]

I would be careful understanding anything about the topic god or the bible in Samuel Rutherfordian fashion at all. He is nuts. Seems that the originally Christianity was trying to kill what eventually became modern Christianity a literary cult disassociated from reality disconnected from nature. Interesting how That happens.
God has sold the forest to death – Samuel Rutherford





“Build your nest upon no tree here; for you see God has sold the forest to death.

I have tried to glean something worthwhile out of your post, but so far, nothing.

 

[WalterTrull]

Dangerous ground here, but... My take on the wages of sin thing. Our father is in heaven. So our life comes from and is fed from heaven. When we deny that (sin) then we cut off our food, our oxygen. Guess what happens then. Right.

 

[savagewind]

Dangerous ground here, but... My take on the wages of sin thing. Our father is in heaven. So our life comes from and is fed from heaven. When we deny that (sin) then we cut off our food, our oxygen. Guess what happens then. Right.

I understand that sin leads to death, but naturally. Nobody in their right mind can call it "a wage". A wage is a reward for work. Death isn't a reward. Not usually, anyway.

I am sure that the writer meant that there would be no wage, in other words, death.
Life for following The Way. Death for not. The wage of following the way is truth and life. But, for following the way of sinning, there is no wage.

The poor thing. He was just contrasting them.

 

[David T]

Samuel Rutherford would have said the same thing!!! Who is Rutherford? I mean Spurgeon is quoted in the wiki on Rutheford so that says it all.

 

[savagewind]

Samuel Rutherford would have said the same thing!!! Who is Rutherford? I mean Spurgeon is quoted in the wiki on Rutheford so that says it all.

Is something that might be true, not true because you do not like who said it? That is funny. Haha

 

[David T]

Is something that might be true, not true because you do not like who said it? That is funny. Haha

And all I said was if you've u read the text like it's a science text that's pretty evangelical of you is all.

I would say the text is closer to this text. But with some subtle and very important differences.

So it's all perceptions and Dylan addressed it here in this song. I mean you are railing against a literary cult that is foundational to a literary cult=ure arguing in it's same framework as the cult reads the text after all. Dylan rails against that in it's alright ma.(I'm only bleeding).