Russia vs Ukraine gets closer to nuclear?

[Kathryn]

TRUE STORY TIME!

I lived in Aschaffehburg, Germany (southern Germany) in the early ish 1990s. At that time it had been many years since Chernobyl in northern Ukraine (or THE Ukraine as we knew it then). I believe Chernobyl happened in April of 1986. Anyway, we still got warnings thru 1993 about open air markets and what we could and could not buy in those open-air markets.

 

[Father Heathen]

Non sequitur fallacy ... A does not follow from B One can OK with the liberation of the of Ethnic Russians persecution by the Azov Nazi terrorists . but against the Gaza Holocaust quite easily

How exactly is comparing the war crimes committed against Ukrainian civilians to those committed against Palestinian civilians a "non sequitur"?

War crimes in the Russian invasion of Ukraine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Israeli war crimes in the Israel–Hamas war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Koldo]

You are having trouble understanding what a civil war looks like .. claiming it involves "internal fighting" .. which is exactly what was going on in Ukraine .. but want to say there is no civil war in Ukraine.

Russia sent military personnel since the start of the conflict, thus why I don't find it proper to call it a civil war. When there is massive external interference it can no longer be properly called a civil war. Worse yet, it lead to annexation by another nation.

You then ask why bring up the Azov Nazi persecution . and eventually civil war .. against the Ethnic Russian Separatists .. two different groups in Ukraine going to war with each other.

The reason the Azov Nazi's were brought up is because they are a party to the civil war you think does not exist .. and a group of people who you first denied the existence of .. and now in denial of "Evidence" provided you from the Canadian Gov't state sponsorship .. but showing solid ignorance of the subject matter ... and/or disingenuous oblivion ..

I have never denied the existence of the Azov Brigade. Once again though, how does it's existence justifies invading Ukraine? And your link doesn't provide any evidence of state sponsored persecution. What the heck are you talking about?

What did you think the Minisk agreement was for .. if not to stop/ prevent further civil war .. Dorp !

You said and I quote: "Were you unaware that there was a civil war going on in Ukraine since 2014 ? -- the Minsk agreement - part of which was to prevent on-going "State Sponsored" persecution of the Ethnic Russians."

Obviously the Minsk agreement was intended to settle the dispute, but how was it even in part intended to prevent this state sponsored persecution against ethnic russians that you claim to have happened? Where is this persecution mentioned in the agreement?

and yes you did claim the Azov Nazi's didn't exist .. laughable how you moved the goalpost to "Azov Brigade" .. Pathetic debate tactics brother Koldo .. really poor showing. ?!

When did I claim the Azov Brigade didn't exist? Prove it.

 

[Sargonski]

Russia sent military personnel since the start of the conflict, thus why I don't find it proper to call it a civil war. When there is massive external interference it can no longer be properly called a civil war. Worse yet, it lead to annexation by another nation.



I have never denied the existence of the Azov Brigade. Once again though, how does it's existence justifies invading Ukraine? And your link doesn't provide any evidence of state sponsored persecution. What the heck are you talking about?



You said and I quote: "Were you unaware that there was a civil war going on in Ukraine since 2014 ? -- the Minsk agreement - part of which was to prevent on-going "State Sponsored" persecution of the Ethnic Russians."

Obviously the Minsk agreement was intended to settle the dispute, but how was it even in part intended to prevent this state sponsored persecution against ethnic russians that you claim to have happened? Where is this persecution mentioned in the agreement?



When did I claim the Azov Brigade didn't exist? Prove it.

I did not say you claimed the Azov Brigade did not exist .. you cried out "lies lies" with respect to the Azov Nazi's .. your claim that Russian Soldiers were involved at beginning is unsupported but.. even if they were it would not change the fact these soldiers would have been aiding a civil war. Your claim that it was not a civil war .. ridiculous nonsense.

You were crying out "lies Lies" about Neo Nazi Azov Militia's persecuting and committing acts of terror and finally making war against Ethnic Russians .. These ridiculous hysterics were shown to be without merit .. some kind of triggered woke response to information conflicting with the propaganda a la Pravda.Kyiv

and if not for persecution of the Ethnic Russians .. what acts of terrorism did you think that US congress sanctioned the Azov Nazi Terrorist group for ? and from the canadians .. a link given you "Besides its support of Nazi ideology, Azov members have been accused of war crimes and torture"

War crimes in relation to what Koldo ? who was it that was on the receiving end of these war crimes .. and what stage of disingenuous oblivion have we arrived ?

Look .. you have no idea about what is going on in the conflict sans a few sound bites of state sponsored propaganda trope you have ingested ... either wittingly or unwittingly .. floundering in "necessary illusion" .. unable to put together an argument .. only fallacy and falsehood.

And your last fallacy .. just because I point out some of the reasons why Russia invaded .. does not mean I condone or agree with the invasion. What I do not condone or agree with is falsehood and propaganda .. of the kind on which you have been feeding

 

[Koldo]

I did not say you claimed the Azov Brigade did not exist .. you cried out "lies lies" with respect to the Azov Nazi's .. your claim that Russian Soldiers were involved at beginning is unsupported but.. even if they were it would not change the fact these soldiers would have been aiding a civil war. Your claim that it was not a civil war .. ridiculous nonsense.

You were crying out "lies Lies" about Neo Nazi Azov Militia's persecuting and committing acts of terror and finally making war against Ethnic Russians .. These ridiculous hysterics were shown to be without merit .. some kind of triggered woke response to information conflicting with the propaganda a la Pravda.Kyiv

and if not for persecution of the Ethnic Russians .. what acts of terrorism did you think that US congress sanctioned the Azov Nazi Terrorist group for ? and from the canadians .. a link given you "Besides its support of Nazi ideology, Azov members have been accused of war crimes and torture"

War crimes in relation to what Koldo ? who was it that was on the receiving end of these war crimes .. and what stage of disingenuous oblivion have we arrived ?

Look .. you have no idea about what is going on in the conflict sans a few sound bites of state sponsored propaganda trope you have ingested ... either wittingly or unwittingly .. floundering in "necessary illusion" .. unable to put together an argument .. only fallacy and falsehood.

And your last fallacy .. just because I point out some of the reasons why Russia invaded .. does not mean I condone or agree with the invasion. What I do not condone or agree with is falsehood and propaganda .. of the kind on which you have been feeding

You are spreading nothing more than Russia's propaganda. Let's cut to the chase: Provide evidence that Ukraine's government supports any of the alleged crimes committed by the Azov Brigade.