Wandering Monk
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So your evidence is 'trust me, bro. Everyone else is lying'
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Russian Disinformation About Ballot Destruction in Bucks County, PA
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BrokenBread
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I told you there is no evidence with requiring proof of citizenship ?
Would like there to be a federal proof of citizenship requirement ?
Or are you afraid to say ?
How could anybody be "caught" when no proof of citizenship is required .
You'll notice the story says the 2500 forms are only "SUSPECTED" to be fraudulent:
LANCASTER COUNTY, Pa. (WHP) — Lancaster County Commissioners held a press conference Friday afternoon after about 2,500 suspected fraudulent voter registration forms were intercepted by the Board of Elections there:
A PA Judge may very well say Monday morning that "suspicion" is insufficient cause to suppress the registrations ?
The whole agenda your side uses is the frustrate any effort to police the process to the point that everyone just gives up .
You need to attend a local meeting and get up to speed on what you obviously do not know .
They could probably use your help delivering batches & bundles of ill gotten registrations.
Do your civic duty why don't you ?
Judge blocks Virginia from dropping alleged noncitizens from voter rolls
Wandering Monk
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PA law requires that people provide proof of citizenship to register to vote:
Voter Registration Requirements | Voting & Election Information | Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
<p>To vote in Pennsylvania, you must meet the requirements and register to vote. Use this page to learn about who can vote.</p>
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You need to work on your linking skills. There is no link for your last claim.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
His poorly linked first article points out that they were able to intercept what very much appear to be fraudulent registration attempts. As you said the article itself pointed out how the system is working.
BrokenBread
Member
I told you there is no evidence with requiring proof of citizenship ?
Would like there to be a federal proof of citizenship requirement ?
Or are you afraid to say ?
How could anybody be "caught" when no proof of citizenship is required .
You'll notice the story says the 2500 forms are only "SUSPECTED" to be fraudulent:
LANCASTER COUNTY, Pa. (WHP) — Lancaster County Commissioners held a press conference Friday afternoon after about 2,500 suspected fraudulent voter registration forms were intercepted by the Board of Elections there:
A PA Judge may very well say Monday morning that "suspicion" is insufficient cause to suppress the registrations ?
The whole agenda your side uses is the frustrate any effort to police the process to the point that everyone just gives up .
You need to attend a local meeting and get up to speed on what you obviously do not know .
They could probably use your help delivering batches & bundles of ill gotten registrations.
Do your civic duty why don't you ?
Judge blocks Virginia from dropping alleged noncitizens from voter rolls
Not my claim, a pretty widely reported story in fact.
Note the term, "SUSPECTED" is featured in this judges judgement as well .
Suspected is all there can be when there is no proof required .
Maybe you would like to answer the question that sent Wandering Monk wandering away, do you think there should be a federal requirement for proof of citizenship to vote ?
Federal judge blocks Virginia voter roll purge of suspected noncitizens
Federal judge blocks Virginia voter roll purge of suspected noncitizens
2 days ago ... "Yet, today a Court – urged by the Biden-Harris Department of Justice – ordered Virginia to put the names of non-citizens back on the voter ...
Wandering Monk
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The topic here is Bucks County, PA. PA requires voters prove citizenship to register to vote.
Voter Registration Requirements | Voting & Election Information | Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
<p>To vote in Pennsylvania, you must meet the requirements and register to vote. Use this page to learn about who can vote.</p>
Wandering Monk
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'Suspected non-citizens' in VA? So purge them without evidence?
Virginia started the purge within 90 days of the election which is a violation of the Voting Rights Act.
Wandering Monk
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Virginia also has laws that require citizenship to register vote:
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To be eligible to register to vote in Virginia a person must be a resident of Virginia. A person must be a U. S. Citizen and must be 18 years old. If convicted of a felony, your right to vote ...
BrokenBread
Member
Required proof is a lie .The topic here is Bucks County, PA. PA requires voters prove citizenship to register to vote.
Voter Registration Requirements | Voting & Election Information | Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
<p>To vote in Pennsylvania, you must meet the requirements and register to vote. Use this page to learn about who can vote.</p>www.pa.gov
All you have to do is check the box saying you are a citizen and sign your name to it .
You are accumulating points for learning how your team plays the game .
Pennsylvania Voter Registration Application & Mail-in Ballot Request Page 3 Other Name on previous registration Full previous address and county 9 If your name or address has changed Skip if this is the first time you are registering to vote. 8 7 I do not have a Pennsylvania driver’s license or a Social Security number Last four digits of your Social Security number xxx–xx– PennDOT driver’s license or ID card number Democratic Republican Green Libertarian None (no affiliation) Gender Female (F) Male (M) Non-Binary / Other (X) 10 Political party To vote in a primary, you must register with either the Democratic or Republican party. I require language help. My preferred language is: I require help to vote. I need this kind of assistance: DSBE-6002/22 Reason 3 New registration Mail-in voting Change of name Change of address Change of party Federal or State employee registering in county of last residence Last name First name Middle name or initial 1 Jr Sr II III IV (circle if applicable) Print your name 5 Your address If you do not have a street address or a permanent residence, use the map on the back. Students, see instructions. Address or P.O. Box City/Town 6 State Zip Mailing address for voter registration Voting assistance Phone Email Birth date (required) 4 Race About you Phone and email are optional and may be used to contact you about important information. Use blue or black ink 2 Eligibility If you answer “No” to either question, you cannot register to vote. Are you a citizen of the U.S.? Yes No Will you be 18 years or older Yes No
BrokenBread
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No required proof of citizenship in VA either,'Suspected non-citizens' in VA? So purge them without evidence?
Virginia started the purge within 90 days of the election which is a violation of the Voting Rights Act.
Just check the box saying you are and sign it .
Then get the fraudulent unproven ones submitted within the 90 days and they are all golden says the democrat voting judge.
Congratulations you earn double bonus points for learning how you team does it slippery & sleazy
Wandering Monk
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So, a non-citizen votes, puts his name and address on the registration form and falsely claims to be a citizen. Felony and possible deportation. Why would they jeopardize their stay in the US?
Georgia just checked their voter rolls for non-citizens who voted. Out of 8.2 million votes, 9 were non-citizen voters.
Do you have reason to believe that there are a higher percentage in PA and VA? Evidence please. Perhaps those states have arrested and charged people for this? Details would be great.
BrokenBread
Member
"WHY" ?
So they can stay in their taxpayer funded hotel rooms, their taxpayer funded medical care ,dental care , monthly stipends, educational benefits, etc ,etc, etc ,etc,& etc...... by doing as they are told.
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
You have yet to provide actual evidence (allegations and presumptions are not evidence) of actual outcome determinative voter fraud by non-citizens. Your Great Leader has taught you well.
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
Yeah, they don't get those things if they are arrested, tried, and deported.
Wandering Monk
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Why did Virginia wait until 84 days before the election to do their purge? Why not start immediately after the last election and get this sorted? The obvious reason: it wouldn't play into Trump's plan to cry fraud again.
BrokenBread
Member
So those nine you mention do not include the thousands still on the rolls who are no longer eligible for not even living in Georgia among other things .
Non-eligibles that your team is fighting tooth and nail to keep on the rolls by attempting to bankrupt anyone attempting to police the system.
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Big Georgia county to start charging some costs to people who challenge the eligibility of voters
The Cobb County Board of Elections and Registrations voted 4-1 on Tuesday to adopt the rule.
Credit: AP
(AP Photo/Mike Stewart, File)
Author: Associated Press
Published: 2:02 PM EDT August 15, 2024
Updated: 2:02 PM EDT August 15, 2024
ATLANTA — An election board in one of Georgia's largest counties has voted to start charging people who challenge the eligibility of voters for the cost of notifying the challenged voters.
The Cobb County Board of Elections and Registrations voted 4-1 on Tuesday to adopt the rule. Debbie Fisher, a Republican member of the board, was the only vote against the rule.
Republican activists are challenging thousands of voters in Georgia as part a wide-ranging national effort coordinated by Donald Trump's allies to take names off voting rolls. Most of the people they are targeting have moved away from their old address, and the activists argue that letting those names stay on the rolls invites fraud. But Democrats and liberal voting rights activists argue Republicans are challenging voters either to remove Democrats or to sow doubt about the accuracy of elections in advance of 2024 presidential voting.
Democrats have been pushing to start charging for each challenge filed, in part as an effort to deter people from targeting hundred or thousands of voters using software programs such as EagleAI or IV3 that facilitate mass challenges. A 2021 Georgia law specifically says one person can challenge an unlimited number of voters in their own county.
In suburban Atlanta's Cobb County, a onetime Republican bastion that now produces Democratic majorities, the board voted only to charge for the cost of printing the challenge notice and for postage to mail it, likely to be less than a dollar per challenge. But that could add up. Cobb County Elections Director Tate Fall has estimated that it cost about $1,600 to mail out notices from one batch of 2,472 challenges filed last month.
Democrats have also wanted counties to charge challengers for staff time to research and process challenges. But Daniel White, a lawyer for the board, said Tuesday that he concluded that the board couldn't do that unless state law is changed to grant specific authorization. However, he said he concluded the board has the inherent power to charge for sending notices, in the same way a court has the inherent power to charge someone for serving notice of a lawsuit on the defendants.
“If you’re talking about 3,000 voters being challenged and notice having to go out to 3,000 voters being challenged, that really increases your costs," White said.
But Republicans opposed the measure. Fisher called it “egregious" and “just wrong” to charge people for exercising their challenge rights.
Cobb County Republican Party Chairwoman Salleigh Grubbs said the board is failing to do its job of ensuring clean voter rolls, while challengers are stepping in to help.
“When the Board of Elections is trying to charge people for doing the job they should be doing, that’s a disgrace," Grubbs said.
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BrokenBread
Member
You think there was a moratorium from your team on submitting fraudulent forms within 90 days election?
Really?
You never did say are you in favor of mandatory proof of citizenship in order to vote ?
Pogo
Well-Known Member
The check-box is only asking if you want to register, the citizenship proof is part of the ID requirement and checked by the state unless as in
VA they screw up and forget to do it while changing systems, the people in VA were citizens that the state had improperly recorded, not the voters fault. This is not new and has worked just fine for years.
There is also the question of why you worry about possible questionable registrations so much, is it because you know that your program is so bad that your only hope is to limit it to white folk?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I would say that is your claim. And worse yet if you had been following this thread it has been refuted. You may be conflating having to prove that one is a citizen with every election to proving that you are a citizen when you register.
First off thank you for supplying the link. Second it does not say what you think that it says. There were people who registered in a state where proof of citizenship is required. In almost every state, and this includes Virginia, one has to sign a paper where one swears under penalty of perjury, which is a felony, that one is a citizen and can legally vote. If a prospective alien breaks this law it not only makes it highly likely that they will be convicted and be sent to prison it also would end any hopes of becoming a citizen. Some paranoid states have used certain files, such as driver license data, to try to determine if one is a citizen or not. There is a huge problem with that because that sort of info on a driver's license can easily be out of date. Historically aliens voting in the US has never been a problem. It is just not worth it to an alien. One is far more likely to take a legal voter off of the roles than to prevent someone from voting.
That makes that law much worse than the problem that it supposedly cures. That is why there is a federal law against what Virginia did and that is why a judge ruled that it was unconstitutional. Didn't you even read your article?
"U.S. District Judge Patricia Giles ruled an executive order Republican Gov. Glenn Youngkin signed Aug. 7 violated a federal law that prohibits removing names from voter rolls within 90 days of an election. Voters who were removed since that date must be notified and have their registration restored, Giles ruled."
If a person is removed from the voting roles a letter has to be sent to that person. Ninety days is required because the person has a right to challenge being removed. That law was designed to remove targeted legal voters and remove their right to appeal. Please note, those that were removed more than ninety days out are still removed. People can be put on the roles by accident. It has probably happened in my state when people renew their driving license. This is not a conspiracy, but people trying to be too helpful at times. Even so when this happens there is no evidence of illegal voters abusing that error.
How would you react if your right to vote was taken away due to incompetence or error before this election and you could not get your voting rights restored before November 5th?