Ruth Bader Ginsburg Disagreed With Roe vs Wade

[esmith]

It seems that a lot of people's hair is on fire with the leaking of this draft document concerning Roe vs Wade.
What they seem to forget or most likely never knew is that Supreme Court Justics Ruth Bader Ginsburg didn't think that the finding of the SCOTUS was proper in the case of Roe vs Wade.
Maybe everyone who has gone off half-cocked might take some time and think about what she said.
From: Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg Offers Critique of Roe v. Wade During Law School Visit | University of Chicago Law School
“My criticism of Roe is that it seemed to have stopped the momentum on the side of change,” Ginsburg said. She would’ve preferred that abortion rights be secured more gradually, in a process that included state legislatures and the courts, she added. Ginsburg also was troubled that the focus on Roe was on a right to privacy, rather than women’s rights.

“Roe isn’t really about the woman’s choice, is it?” Ginsburg said. “It’s about the doctor’s freedom to practice…it wasn’t woman-centered, it was physician-centered.”

 

[Revoltingest]

Ginsburg also was troubled that the focus on Roe was on a right to privacy, rather than women’s rights.

I find that too narrow a view. It should be about human (not
just women's) rights to bodily autonomy. Abortion rights have
companions, eg, right to die with dignity, right against involuntary
servitude (conscription), right to avoid unnecessary surgery
(FGM, MGM) without consent.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

It seems that a lot of people's hair is on fire with the leaking of this draft document concerning Roe vs Wade.
What they seem to forget or most likely never knew is that Supreme Court Justics Ruth Bader Ginsburg didn't think that the finding of the SCOTUS was proper in the case of Roe vs Wade.
Maybe everyone who has gone off half-cocked might take some time and think about what she said.
From: Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg Offers Critique of Roe v. Wade During Law School Visit | University of Chicago Law School
“My criticism of Roe is that it seemed to have stopped the momentum on the side of change,” Ginsburg said. She would’ve preferred that abortion rights be secured more gradually, in a process that included state legislatures and the courts, she added. Ginsburg also was troubled that the focus on Roe was on a right to privacy, rather than women’s rights.

“Roe isn’t really about the woman’s choice, is it?” Ginsburg said. “It’s about the doctor’s freedom to practice…it wasn’t woman-centered, it was physician-centered.”

Well, yes. So let us remove all versions of rights or however you phrase it, because that is what she said.

 

[Revoltingest]

“Roe isn’t really about the woman’s choice, is it?” Ginsburg said. “It’s about the doctor’s freedom to practice…it wasn’t woman-centered, it was physician-centered.”

That is very strange.
Is that what the SCOTUS decision was based upon?
I'm skeptical because it seems ridiculous.
And if she did indeed say that....WTF?

 

[esmith]

That is very strange.
Is that what the SCOTUS decision was based upon?
I'm skeptical because it seems ridiculous.
And if she did indeed say that....WTF?

Problem is that many Supreme Court Justices have also had the opinion that Roe vs Wade was an improper decision.
I realize that the following link is from a enity that thinks that abortions are a "sin" the article does make some compeling thoughts.
One should read this with an open mind without preceived judgement and hyperbole.
Just to make things clear I look at the argument for and against abortions and other "life" ending decisions this way. If there is a "Maker" then you will have to answer to that entity at the end of life, if not no harm no foul.
10 Legal Reasons to Reject Roe

 

[Revoltingest]

Problem is that many Supreme Court Justices have also had the opinion that Roe vs Wade was an improper decision.
I realize that the following link is from a enity that thinks that abortions are a "sin" the article does make some compeling thoughts.
One should read this with an open mind without preceived judgement and hyperbole.
Just to make things clear I look at the argument for and against abortions and other "life" ending decisions this way. If there is a "Maker" then you will have to answer to that entity, if not no harm no foul.
10 Legal Reasons to Reject Roe

TLTR.
As for a "maker", it hasn't descended from its
throne in the sky to say anything about abortion.
So we're left to our own devices, ie, personal
preference.

 

[esmith]

TLTR.
As for a "maker", it hasn't descended from its
throne in the sky to say anything about abortion.
So we're left to our own devices, ie, personal
preference.

Edited my above to clarify "at end of life".. Does that make more sense?

 

[Revoltingest]

Edited my above to clarify "at end of life".. Does that make more sense?

Twas the link that's TLTR.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Problem is that many Supreme Court Justices have also had the opinion that Roe vs Wade was an improper decision.
I realize that the following link is from a enity that thinks that abortions are a "sin" the article does make some compeling thoughts.
One should read this with an open mind without preceived judgement and hyperbole.
Just to make things clear I look at the argument for and against abortions and other "life" ending decisions this way. If there is a "Maker" then you will have to answer to that entity at the end of life, if not no harm no foul.
10 Legal Reasons to Reject Roe

So if there is a Maker, how do you know, what the Maker's position is on abortion. I can find different believers in the Maker, who cliam differently.

 

[esmith]

Twas the link that's TLTR.

Excuse the ignorance, me no know TLTR....

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Excuse the ignorance, me no know TLTR....

Google it.

 

[esmith]

So if there is a Maker, how do you know, what the Maker's position is on abortion. I can find different believers in the Maker, who cliam differently.

I don't know, do you?
One has to use their own beliefs to determine whether what they have done while alive have any bearing of what happens after the end of life.
You forge your own destiny, bearing in mind what society has determined is right or wrong.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

It seems that a lot of people's hair is on fire with the leaking of this draft document concerning Roe vs Wade.
What they seem to forget or most likely never knew is that Supreme Court Justics Ruth Bader Ginsburg didn't think that the finding of the SCOTUS was proper in the case of Roe vs Wade.
Maybe everyone who has gone off half-cocked might take some time and think about what she said.
From: Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg Offers Critique of Roe v. Wade During Law School Visit | University of Chicago Law School
“My criticism of Roe is that it seemed to have stopped the momentum on the side of change,” Ginsburg said. She would’ve preferred that abortion rights be secured more gradually, in a process that included state legislatures and the courts, she added. Ginsburg also was troubled that the focus on Roe was on a right to privacy, rather than women’s rights.

“Roe isn’t really about the woman’s choice, is it?” Ginsburg said. “It’s about the doctor’s freedom to practice…it wasn’t woman-centered, it was physician-centered.”

Let's be clear, however -- Ginsburg just didn't think the reasoning used in the Roe opinion strong enough to hold, and on that, I think we can see that 50 years after the fact, she appears to have been correct. Ginsburg wanted legal abortion across the nation, because as she points out, if you have money you can get one anyway, and so only the not-so-rich women were negatively impacted. Thus, she wanted a Roe-like decision with stronger underpinnings.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I don't know, do you?
One has to use their own beliefs to determine whether what they have done while alive have any bearing of what happens after the end of life.
You forge your own destiny, bearing in mind what society has determined is right or wrong.

So it is meaningless to claim if there is a Maker, then..., because it doesn't solve abortion.

 

[pearl]

“Roe isn’t really about the woman’s choice, is it?” Ginsburg said. “It’s about the doctor’s freedom to practice…it wasn’t woman-centered, it was physician-centered.”

Roe v Wade left the decision to abort between a woman and her doctor, it was never intended to be abortion 'on demand'. Justice Ginsberg did not oppose abortion, just clarified its intent.

 

[esmith]

Google it.

Ah, my written vocabulary has expanded by one......

 

[esmith]

So it is meaningless to claim if there is a Maker, then..., because it doesn't solve abortion.

Correct, one has to make their decision based on what they believe.
However, if society takes that decision out of ones hands, then one is between a rock and a hard palce when it come to abortion or any other personal decisions.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Correct, one has to make their decision based on what they believe.
However, if society takes that decision out of ones hands, then one is between a rock and a hard palce when it come to abortion or any other personal decisions.

Are you pro-abortion in some sense?

 

[esmith]

Twas the link that's TLTR.

Then one can not honestly debate the question if one does not listen to the other side of an argument does one.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Then one can not honestly debate the question if one does not listen to the other side of an argument does one.

Yes, but it is rather simple. How and when do you assign rights? I mean I don't have to read a long text in a religious sense.
The core question is when does a human become a human? That is alway a belief even in non-religious sense,