Sabbath Issues

[Walter and Debbie]

So good.

Just curious... how do you view this scripture in light of the definition of the word "holy" that you gave?

1 Corinthians 7:14
For the unbelieving husband is made holy because of his wife, and the unbelieving wife is made holy because of her husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

Hello Kenny,
ho·ly
[ˈhōlē]
ADJECTIVE

1. dedicated or consecrated to God or a religious purpose; sacred:
   "the Holy Bible" · "the holy month of Ramadan"
   SIMILAR:
   sacred
   consecrated
   hallowed
   sanctified
   venerated
   saintly
   godly
   saintlike
   pious
   pietistic
   religious

Love, Walter and Debbie

 

[Walter and Debbie]

Numbers 15:32-36

32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.

33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.

34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.

35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses.


Exodus 35:3

3 Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.



Electricity on Shabbat

Many Jews who strictly observe Shabbat (the Sabbath) refrain from using electrical devices on Shabbat, with the exception of passive enjoyment of devices which were set up before Shabbat. Various rabbinical authorities have pronounced on what is permitted and what is not, but there are many disagreements in detailed interpretation, both between different individual authorities and between branches of Judaism.

In Orthodox Judaism, it is generally discouraged to use electrical devices on Shabbat, but Orthodox Poskim (authorities) of Jewish law have disagreed about the basis of this claim since the early 20th century. Many Orthodox leaders have held that turning on an incandescent light bulb violates the Biblical prohibition against igniting a fire. However, the reasons for prohibiting the operation of an electrical appliance that does not involve heating metal to glowing temperatures (which is considered like kindling a fire because of the heat and light), are not agreed upon. At least six substantive reasons have been suggested, and a minority (including Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach[1]) believe that turning on most electrical appliances is prohibited only because of common Jewish practice and tradition (minhag) and to maintain the spirit of Shabbat, but not for any substantive technical halachik reason.

Electricity on Shabbat - Wikipedia



Ultra Orthodox Jews are Really Strict on Sabbath Observance paying due Homage to Elohim/God. Why was the man gathering sticks on the Sabbath?

Every Society has their Ultras. The Ultras are the Most Devoted/Committed.

Numbers 15:32-36

32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.

33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.

34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.

35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses.


Exodus 35:3

3 Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.



Electricity on Shabbat

Many Jews who strictly observe Shabbat (the Sabbath) refrain from using electrical devices on Shabbat, with the exception of passive enjoyment of devices which were set up before Shabbat. Various rabbinical authorities have pronounced on what is permitted and what is not, but there are many disagreements in detailed interpretation, both between different individual authorities and between branches of Judaism.

In Orthodox Judaism, it is generally discouraged to use electrical devices on Shabbat, but Orthodox Poskim (authorities) of Jewish law have disagreed about the basis of this claim since the early 20th century. Many Orthodox leaders have held that turning on an incandescent light bulb violates the Biblical prohibition against igniting a fire. However, the reasons for prohibiting the operation of an electrical appliance that does not involve heating metal to glowing temperatures (which is considered like kindling a fire because of the heat and light), are not agreed upon. At least six substantive reasons have been suggested, and a minority (including Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach[1]) believe that turning on most electrical appliances is prohibited only because of common Jewish practice and tradition (minhag) and to maintain the spirit of Shabbat, but not for any substantive technical halachik reason.

Electricity on Shabbat - Wikipedia



Ultra Orthodox Jews are Really Strict on Sabbath Observance paying due Homage to Elohim/God. Why was the man gathering sticks on the Sabbath?

Every Society has their Ultras. The Ultras are the Most Devoted/Committed.

Hello Elihoenai, The above is not the way we follow, but thank you.

Matthew 23 BSB (biblehub.com)

Love, Walter and Debbie

 

[Walter and Debbie]

The (Jewish) Sabbath was given to the Jews. Although any Gentiles living in the household of a Jew would be required to keep it too. Gentiles do not have the wherewithal to keep it because they don't have the Oral Law. Without the Oral Law it is not possible to keep the Sabbath.

Thank you.

Walter

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The (Jewish) Sabbath was given to the Jews. Although any Gentiles living in the household of a Jew would be required to keep it too. Gentiles do not have the wherewithal to keep it because they don't have the Oral Law. Without the Oral Law it is not possible to keep the Sabbath.

So ...

• "... any Gentiles living in the household of a Jew would be required to keep it" [but]
  
• "Gentiles do not have the wherewithal to keep it because they don't have the Oral Law."

Is the problem that they are too stupid to learn or simply that they've been denied the secret decoder ring?

 

[Shaul]

The (Jewish) Sabbath was given to the Jews. Although any Gentiles living in the household of a Jew would be required to keep it too. Gentiles do not have the wherewithal to keep it because they don't have the Oral Law. Without the Oral Law it is not possible to keep the Sabbath.

Thank you.

Walter

Don't thank me too soon. Because of this Jesus can't be the moshiach.

 

[Secret Chief]

the secret decoder ring

ooh now you've piqued my curiosity

 

[Kenny]

Hello Kenny,
ho·ly
[ˈhōlē]
ADJECTIVE

1. dedicated or consecrated to God or a religious purpose; sacred:
   "the Holy Bible" · "the holy month of Ramadan"
   SIMILAR:
   sacred
   consecrated
   hallowed
   sanctified
   venerated
   saintly
   godly
   saintlike
   pious
   pietistic
   religious

Love, Walter and Debbie

Well... yes, that is the definition. Can you apply that on how a believing wife or husband make holy and sanctified an unbelieving spouse?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

ooh now you've piqued my curiosity

(but ya gotta read it from right to left)

 

[Walter and Debbie]

Well... yes, that is the definition. Can you apply that on how a believing wife or husband make holy and sanctified an unbelieving spouse?

Hi Kinny, we as a couple, have come together in holy matrimony in agreement before we were married, like Iron Sharpens Iron, especially with His words of life in our walk.

Love, Walter

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Saturday 11-26-22 7th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Kislev 1, 5783 66th. Fall Day

Is there anyone that keeps The Sabbath Day Holy, from Sunset on the 6th.Day/Friday until The ending of The 7th. Day at Sunset, on Saturday by The Gregorian Calendar.

If so being on one accord for that event to happen, We want to thank God for your Faith in doing just that as a start to perfection. Every Sabbath , Sabbath Scriptures: About Sabbath Scriptures , Sabbath Day In The KJV

Sabbath Day, Please Read all.

Sabbaths , Judging one another about the Sabbath .

I have reason to believe of the above study, that The Sabbaths and the Feast Days/Holy Convocations goes together for his/Jesus customs as him and The Apostles, went in the synagogues. Luke 4:16 , Acts 17:2

Acts 17:2

Righteousness is a position. When you become saved you are considered in right standing with God. ... Holiness is the quality of being holy,a life that is full of godly character.Righteousness is to be upright in God, to be blamless. A righteousness man is also a holy man,both of them works together.

Ephesians 4 KJV

Isaiah 58 KJV (biblehub.com) Blessings Of True Worship, thank you.

Love, Walter and Debbie

Hi Walter and Debbie. I'm an observant Jew, so yes I keep the Sabbath on the seventh day, which for us Jews is from Friday sundown until Saturday twilight. I am not Christian, so none of this is about being "saved." I obey God simply because he is God, King of the Universe, and thus worthy of my obedience.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

So ...

• "... any Gentiles living in the household of a Jew would be required to keep it" [but]
  
• "Gentiles do not have the wherewithal to keep it because they don't have the Oral Law."

Is the problem that they are too stupid to learn or simply that they've been denied the secret decoder ring?

I dont' see a problem. The commandment to keep the sabbath was not given to the world. It was given to Israel, in order to commemorate the exodus from Egypt. If a non-Jew gets inspired by the Torah and wants to take a break on the seventh day out of love, that's fine. But he is under no obligation to do so.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I dont' see a problem. The commandment to keep the sabbath was not given to the world. It was given to Israel, in order to commemorate the exodus from Egypt. If a non-Jew gets inspired by the Torah and wants to take a break on the seventh day out of love, that's fine. But he is under no obligation to do so.

What does that have to do with so-called "Gentile wherewithall"? And how does our poor Gentile fulfill his requirement to keep the Sabbath while lacking this wherewithall?

My main problem with your response is that it does not seem to be responsive.

 

[Walter and Debbie]

Hi Walter and Debbie. I'm an observant Jew, so yes I keep the Sabbath on the seventh day, which for us Jews is from Friday sundown until Saturday twilight. I am not Christian, so none of this is about being "saved." I obey God simply because he is God, King of the Universe, and thus worthy of my obedience.

Hello IndigoChild, thank you.

Love, Walter

 

[IndigoChild5559]

What does that have to do with so-called "Gentile wherewithall"? And how does our poor Gentile fulfill his requirement to keep the Sabbath while lacking this wherewithall?

My main problem with your response is that it does not seem to be responsive.

There is no Gentile requirement to keep the Sabbath.

I don't think non-Jews have any less "wherewithall," if that's what you are asking.

 

[Harel13]

Hello Harel, we follow the New Moon Crescent Report from Jerusalem, thank you.

Walter

Interesting. At what point did you deviate from the Jewish calendar? Did you go back to calculate all new moons from the point that Jews stopped basing their calendar on moon sightings or did you just randomly pick a day and decided to start checking moon sightings? Or perhaps I have it wrong and you went back and calculated from the creation? Or something else? I'm simply trying to understand how legitimate is your claim that Saturday was the 1st of Kislev, chronologically, historically and astronomically-wise.

 

[Walter and Debbie]

Interesting. At what point did you deviate from the Jewish calendar? Did you go back to calculate all new moons from the point that Jews stopped basing their calendar on moon sightings or did you just randomly pick a day and decided to start checking moon sightings? Or perhaps I have it wrong and you went back and calculated from the creation? Or something else? I'm simply trying to understand how legitimate is your claim that Saturday was the 1st of Kislev, chronologically, historically and astronomically-wise.

It is important to get each New Moon Crescent Report from Jerusalem, not by the fixed Calendar

Devorah's Date Tree (campaign-archive.com)

Love, Walter

 

[Wandering Monk]

There is no Gentile requirement to keep the Sabbath

Is there a prohibition on it?

 

[Shaul]

I dont' see a problem. The commandment to keep the sabbath was not given to the world. It was given to Israel, in order to commemorate the exodus from Egypt. If a non-Jew gets inspired by the Torah and wants to take a break on the seventh day out of love, that's fine. But he is under no obligation to do so.

The commandment to keep/observe the Sabbath was given to the Jews. However it applies to the Jews and everyone in a Jew's household. As can be seen in scripture, (Exodus 20:8-11) "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work. But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

Note the part which says that the servants in a Jew's household must comply with the Sabbath. Christians are servants of Jesus, who is a Jew. Therefore if he allows them to not keep the Sabbath he is breaking one of the ten commandments.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Is there a prohibition on it?

Technically, we prohibit Gentiles from keeping Shabbat in a manner identical to Jews, but honestly I have never heard of such a case. If a Gentile is inspired by the Torah and wants to refrain from working on the Shabbat out of love, more power to them.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Technically, we prohibit Gentiles from keeping Shabbat in a manner identical to Jews, but honestly I have never heard of such a case. If a Gentile is inspired by the Torah and wants to refrain from working on the Shabbat out of love, more power to them.

I can't imagine a Gentile keeping Shabbat according to the halachah, so I don't think there is going to be a problem with that.