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are saguna and nirguna brahman adverse to each other?
are saguna and nirguna brahman adverse to each other? are they brahman? are they brahmans?
how can god incarnate into the world; when god "is" the world, whether pantheist or panentheist? can anything exist apart from itself?No. Yes. No.
The are the same.
Saguna, lit. with attributes.
Nirguna, lit. without attributes.
Nirguna Brahman is the source of everything, ineffable, indescribable, unknowable except to the knower, having no form or anything tangible or imaginable. An abstract view of God. It is not nothing, but it is not something.
Saguna Brahman is God with tangible attributes... When Vishnu incarnates in the world, Shiva as the lingam/cosmic light. What we think of as God.
how can god incarnate into the world; when god "is" the world, whether pantheist or panentheist? can anything exist apart from itself?
I don't know if I understood the question well.how can god incarnate into the world; when god "is" the world, whether pantheist or panentheist? can anything exist apart from itself?
are saguna and nirguna brahman adverse to each other? are they brahman? are they brahmans?
There are no two (or more) Brahmans, there is only one. In the unmanifested form, it is 'nirguna'. In the manifested form it is 'saguna'. A rock is 'saguna' Brahman.are saguna and nirguna brahman adverse to each other? are they brahman? are they brahmans?
A nice question. All Hindus do not have one view. Some view humans and other living things (animals, vegetation) as creations of Brahman. Others do not make any distinction and consider all things as 'That' (living or non-living). The latter are a minority. I belong to this minority. I consider all things (living or non-living) to be Brahman and none other. This is known as 'Advaita' (non-duality). Therefore, I do not accept the existence of God/Gods/Goddesses, and am a strong atheist Hindu.how can god incarnate into the world; when god "is" the world, whether pantheist or panentheist? can anything exist apart from itself?
It would be different. It violates the 'oneness' (in view of certain people) - the incarnation and everything else, which also is nothing other than incarnation/Brahman as per 'advaita'.An incarnation would not be apart from Brahman, at least under an Advaitan understanding, now would it?
are saguna and nirguna brahman adverse to each other? are they brahman? are they brahmans?
I don’t understand why one would suggest one is adverse to the other. Saguna Brahman is simply Nirguna Brahman manifest in maya.
Saguna Brahman is identical to Nirguna Brahman just as the Atman is identical to Nirguna Brahman.
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Prajñanam brahma - Brahman is pure consciousness ( Aitareya Upanishad 3.3 of the Rig Veda)
Brahman is pure consciousness as the Vedas point out. Nirguna Brahman is pure consciousness of an impersonal nature, while God as Saguna Brahman and the jivatman or soul are pure consciousness of a personalised nature, with the Jivatman in bondage due to karma. This bondage, when hacked off through spiritual exercises and meditation, results in the soul or jivatman being purified of karma and regaining its original state as pure consciousness.
Nirguna Brahman is impersonal , having no personal attributes. Saguna Brahman is personal having attributes.
They are not adverse to each other.
Paramahamsa Yogananda states in this regard, "The word 'God' means the manifested, transcendental Being beyond creation, but existing in relation to creation. Spirit existed before God. God is the Creator of the universe, but Spirit is the Creator of God."
Here spirit stands for Nirguna Brahman, while God stands for Saguna Brahman.
In the yogic philosophy, the Shivalinga as Saguna Brahman is considered the first form to arise when creation occurs, and also the last form before the dissolution of creation.
The Kashi Vishwanath temple considers the Shivalinga as representing a huge pillars of light.
Interestingly, as per the Shaivite monotheistic religious sect called the Prajapita Brahmakumaris, the form of the Shiva linga denotes God as a point of light, and who is known as Jehovah, Allah, Ahura Mazda in other religions.
I have written more about this in this thread....
Interesting correlation between God and light in major world religions...
so they are complimentary
so its one thing having two facets?"They" are neither complimentary nor adverse. Nirguna Brahman exists without qualities in Paramartika and is said to be imperceivable in Vyavaharika. Nirguna manifests with qualities in Vyavaharika as Saguna Brahman to facilitate realization of Brahman in Vyavaharika.
"They" (unless you are using the pronoun in the genderless singular) is incorrect. There is one Brahman.
so its one thing having two facets?