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[Makaranda]

Welcome to the forum.

As you can see, when those guys are arguing with each other, nobody else can get a word in edge-wise. lol

Om Namah Shivaya

Thank you for the welcome

Maybe I will put some verse before stepping aside and letting them get back to arguing

from manIshA panchakam

अन्नमयादन्नमयमथवा चैतन्यमेवचैतन्यात्
यतिवर दूरीकर्तुम् वांछसि किम् ब्रूहि गच्छ गच्छेति
annamayAdannamayamathavA chaitanyameva chaitanyAt
yativara dUrikartuM vA~nChasi kiM brUhi gacCha gacCheti?

Where is room for casteism and pride of lineage when all bodies are made from the same elements, and the consciousness 'inhabiting' those bodies is one and the same in all?


Anyway carry on :beach:

 

[ShivaFan]

There wouldn't even be any of this if H(luv)K would not throw these off subject "by birth" caste hand grenades into evey other post, totally derailing the OP. Just search the internet, he does the samething all over the place. When is enough enough? This isn't a minor matter, there are serious consequences to this uglyness.

Om Namah Sivaya

 

[NobodyYouKnow]

There wouldn't even be any of this if H(luv)K would not throw these off subject "by birth" caste hand grenades into evey other post, totally derailing the OP. Just search the internet, he does the samething all over the place. When is enough enough? This isn't a minor matter, there are serious consequences to this uglyness.

Om Namah Sivaya

True, and I used to get offended by it all (to the point where I still have HLK on my ignore list).

However, that being said, I also look at the bigger picture and see how others 'personal truths' relate to myself, with relevance but without bias, prejudice or offense.

You all take it. I am a Western, Caucasian female who didn't even have a religion before adopting (not converting/adopting) Hinduism in her mid-late teens. I can honestly see how certain Indian-born Hindus can take offense to this (and I actually did see it later after I married one).

I knew right from the start that I would never really 'fit in' or be 'accepted', yet that was the sacrifice I was willing to make to be part of it. Being a Westerner was one thing...but a Westerner and a woman...I accepted it, and I was tolerated because I could accept it, without question.

I can understand HlK's views, and I know I am a 'Mleccha' an 'untouchable' an 'outcast' and all I can say is 'so what if I am'? 'so....bloody....what?'

Am I offended anymore? nope, because I understand it is all true, but 'so what?'

Is there a big Hindu bogey-man with a stick out there ready to punish me for being a White woman? nope....'so what?'

Does the immortal, all-pervading, all conscious Brahman have a caste and sex now? Can a Shudra not attain Nirvana?....'so what?'

Is there a 'Hindu court' I gotta go to to prove to a 'Hindu Judge' I am a Hindu, or else go to a 'Hindu Jail' for being a 'Hindu Imposter?'....why do people act like that's the case?....'so what?'

What makes people think they have the right to be that 'Judge' themselves? and why do they think for one minute, anybody in their rational minds would even begin to take them seriously or take offense to whatever they say....'so what?'

So yeah, I can come to terms with the 'truth' and I don't care one little bit. It has always been 'me' vs 'the world' and I learn to take such things in my stride now...it sometimes takes me a little bit of time, like a few months...but I learn them.

Om Namah Shivaya

 

[Aupmanyav]

When hindu becomes a dvija hearing the seed of bramhan, the Gayatri Mantra, he gets second birth for spiritual life.

That solves the problem once for all times. Anyone who has heard the seed of Brahman, the Gayatri Mantra, gets a second birth and is a 'dvija' from then on.

Take a look at Bhagavata Purana : Lord Krishna says:

That is OK, but who is a brahmin? One who does not know Brahman is not a Brahmin. And one who sees differences does not know Brahman. It is as simple as that.

 

[ratikala]

namaskaram Jaskaran ji

Yeah, I agree, that is some crazy sh**. To be fair, I also use the term mlechchha, but not in a racist sense that he's using it; I only use it to refer to people who are virulently anti-Hindu.

agreed I here it used occasionaly , but only to refer to those with particularly agressive or barbaric behavior .

Anyway, this is getting off topic and H(heart)K is probably too obstinate to change his mind, so perhaps you might be interested in this:
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jai jai , thank you

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