Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Wow, judging from this and your avatar, you fit the stereotype very well.
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Same Sex Marrige By a Church.
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Wow, judging from this and your avatar, you fit the stereotype very well.
the bulk of those passages speak of love and supporting love as being the highest command of god. Same-sex marriage and homosexuality are both forms of love just as opposite sex marriage and heterosexuality are. As such to condemn any of them or refuse to support any of them is to condemn or refuse to support a form of love, which the bible clearly says you should not do.
Smoke
Done here.
Of course not. There is absolutely nothing in the Bible teaching that a Christian church may marry a same-sex couple. There isn't even anything in the Bible teaching that a Christian church may marry an opposite-sex couple. Paul talked about marriage between Christians, but never about marriage ceremonies being performed in church. In the early Church, and especially at the times the New Testament was written, Christians didn't get married in church. Most of them didn't even have civil marriages. They simply declared themselves married. The idea that any marriage should be performed in a church is unscriptural.
But then, the idea that Christianity should be based on the Bible is unscriptural, too. More than that -- it's impossible. The Church existed before the New Testament. A church that is based on the Bible cannot be the original church. It can't even be very much like the original Church. Bible-based churches are unscriptural.
Good points, but lacking.
no I don't. Do you think that just because two people are having sex that that automatically means it is not a relationship of "selfless love of one person for another" or that the love is not "spiritual in nature"?
I'll take that as an "I can't find it either".
If your stance is that to take any position, you have to find explicit endorsement of it in the Bible, then show us the explicit endorsement of the prohibition of same-sex marriage.
If that isn't your stance, then why are you demanding that the other side meet a standard that you aren't willing to meet yourself?
The Bible is also explicitly in favour of love... once again showing that it's the Big Book of Multiple Choice.
My agape love for homosexual people leads me to conclude that same-sex marriage is a good thing.
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
There is nothing specific in the bible, however what we do have is the fact we are all sinners and are going to make mistakes.
So the real question is, does a sinner that loves God find favor in God's eyes?
So if you are trying to imply marrying a gay couple is sin, than why should not that sin be treated any different than any other sin? I say live, love, and hope for the best...
So a bunch of Jews didn't like homosexuals or their activity. That doesn't mean we should do what they do. Two wrongs don't make a right. Condemning others is also a no no in the bible. Why ignore that piece of advice?
Again I will say this IS THERE A PRECEDENT IN THE BIBLE that can justify marring a homosexual couple! Take the entire new testament in context and you will find there is no way for a church to condone such activity.
Understand the love that is being spoken of. It is not the same as a husband for a wife. End of sentence there is nothing.
Understand the love that is being spoken of. It is not the same as a husband for a wife. End of sentence there is nothing.
blackout
Violet.
You have no grasp of anything that goes on in a relationship model other than your own.
You may think you do, but you don't.
You have absolutely no idea the depth of love and meaning there.
Love... is love.
in varied degrees.
There is not "heterosexual" love, and "homosexual" love.
There is deep love... there is shallow love...
There is firey love... there is frigid love...
There is vibrant love... there is dull love...
Intense, wonderful love can be shared in any relationship model.
REAL PEOPLE will tell you that.
But the testimony of their lives count for nothing against your chosen doctrine.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Some of us can think for ourselves, and you've already shown you'll just wave off Scripture that doesn't conform to your bigotry.
blackout
Violet.
Yes. There is a point.
The point is that people share the fullness of their lives... and persons together...
in the deepest experiences of love... expressed sexually and otherwise...
and you pretend to invalidate the legitimacy of their relationship
on account of a book.
You actually can find TRUTH IN LIFE.
And in the testimonies of actual people.
Smoke
Done here.
Just out of curiosity, lacking in what way?
gnomon
Well-Known Member
I do know this.
The Bible does not show any precedent for marrying intersex individuals.
The Bible does not show any precedent for not marrying intersex individuals.
Find explicit Bible passages dealing with intersex then get back to us. Many of us have been on this forum for years so there's time to look for it.
McBell
Unbound
Please be so kind as to present the verse that commands that same sex couples are not to be married.
McBell
Unbound
does this also apply to this post?
If so, since you did not present any scripture, the above quoted post is worthless, right?
Maybe you'll have better luck. I haven't decided yet whether he can't read this question when it comes from me or he can't read it at all.
Paul is not differentiating between homosexual acts committed by heterosexual people and actual homosexuals. He is condemning those who are heterosexual that commit homosexual acts because it went against their nature. No where does he condemn a homosexual for having homosexual activity. When Paul talks about going against their natural desires that is what he is condemning. For a homosexual to go against their natural desire to be with the same sex and try to become heterosexual would be exactly what Paul was condemning because it wouldn't be natural for them.
It is not clear in any way that homosexual activity between homosexuals was frowned upon. Also, there is not much said about what the church could do or not do as far as marriage went. When these gospels were written there wasn't an actual church to write about. Christians weren't even Christians yet. That came later.
It is not clear in any way that homosexual activity between homosexuals was frowned upon. Also, there is not much said about what the church could do or not do as far as marriage went. When these gospels were written there wasn't an actual church to write about. Christians weren't even Christians yet. That came later.