saudi man asking some questions ..

[Mukkled]

hello all.. Okay, just ignore my title because I wanted to make it interesting.. even though it's totally correct :}


I want to ask some questions.. but I need solid answers, I'm terribly uneducated and I don't know anything about religion, and to be honest I don't like the west at all.. I respect some individuals only, and lets say the secularist duds for now, my questions will be about a lot of things and not just religion.. I'm sorry if this not the right place.. I'm a little bit of troll but also so serious about these questions. I don't read and I hate reading. the questions are for everyone , muslims , christians , athiests , budist , and saitnism

..etc .



okay this is my first question :

why should i believe in god ? and why not to believe in god ?

 

[leibowde84]

hello all.. Okay, just ignore my title because I wanted to make it interesting.. even though it's totally correct :}


I want to ask some questions.. but I need solid answers, I'm terribly uneducated and I don't know anything about religion, and to be honest I don't like the west at all.. I respect some individuals only, and lets say the secularist duds for now, my questions will be about a lot of things and not just religion.. I'm sorry if this not the right place.. I'm a little bit of troll but also so serious about these questions. I don't read and I hate reading. the questions are for everyone , muslims , christians , athiests , budist , and saitnism

..etc .



okay this is my first question :

why should i believe in god ? and why not to believe in god ?

There aren't only two options. Many people make this mistake, but Agnosticism is probably your best bet. Since there is insufficient evidence to prove/disprove the existance of any supernatural forces or entities, it would seem most reasonble to answer the question with, "we just don't know yet." In other words, you can go either way, so it might be best to remain undecided.

 

[Kirran]

Well, hello, asalam alaikum, and welcome to RF! I hope you find answers to your questions here - swing by Religious Debates, and pop into the Islam DIR.

As for your question - there's no reason you should believe in anything, believe what comes naturally to you. But, as my eminent co-RFer Winston (leibowde) has said, this isn't binary - there are atheists, agnostics, deists, theists, monists, and then within theists you've got monotheists (one God), polytheists (lots of gods), henotheists (there are other gods, but only one is worthy of worship), pantheists (the Universe is God), panentheists (God includes the Universe) and so on.

 

[leibowde84]

Well, hello, asalam alaikum, and welcome to RF! I hope you find answers to your questions here - swing by Religious Debates, and pop into the Islam DIR.

As for your question - there's no reason you should believe in anything, believe what comes naturally to you. But, as my eminent co-RFer Winston (leibowde) has said, this isn't binary - there are atheists, agnostics, deists, theists, monists, and then within theists you've got monotheists (one God), polytheists (lots of gods), henotheists (there are other gods, but only one is worthy of worship), pantheists (the Universe is God), panentheists (God includes the Universe) and so on.

There's just so many to choose from it kinda gets overwhelming.

 

[Kirran]

There's just so many to choose from it kinda gets overwhelming.

And I didn't even cover them all

 

[gsa]

You should reject the generic (nature's god/god of reason) god hypothesis of deism and generic theism because the evidence is weak, you should reject the Abrahamic god because the evidence is even weaker and the god has basically been falsified (including the false god Allah), and you should reject pantheism only to the extent that the language is unnecessary, since naturalistic pantheism is the same as atheism/agnosticism. The others are all variations on these.

The West has nothing to do with this; Abdullah al-Qasemi was Saudi, after all.

Good luck.

 

[Mukkled]

being agonist is not logical neither possible for humans , if you dont know then you dont know the absolute truth or the ultimate truth .. then you dont know if god exist or not or hell exist or not , religions mistakes are mistakes because they are based on our 5 senses and understanding ability and knowledge and cultuer , if you dont know they are correct or not then you have to take the hell idea seriously and keep looking if it is true or not because there is people saying god contacted them and the one who don't believe will go to hell ! its like you dont know if there was some one dying inside that house or not and someone else came to you telling you she is dying and you have to help by calling ambulance and then he left leaving you some evidence about that , would you call the ambulance or not ? okay lets say in the first time you did and there was no one inside that house , this thing happens again and someone asked the same thing .. would you just walk beside the house and say i dont care ? there could be a someone inside ? or are you going to check inside ? because you can't go inside the house .. you will check the evidence to make sure if there was a really someone or not .. but the problem you cant figure out if its real or just like the old time when someone lied to you , even though it's safer to call the ambulance for help even if it was a lie,okay lets say that there is a five people came to you .. every one is asking for help that there is someone inside that house needs help , and every one gave you an evidence for that ( or saying this is an evedance ) and its in some sorta away could be an evedance .. but each of the five tellers told you that there house is filled with gas containing some virus and it will effect the whole city , and each one of the five told you cant help any of the other four because they are fake and tey will effect you if you helped them. what would you do in this situation ?you cant just say i don't know , mainly you will have to call everyone specialized in this and ask them for help .. but they all say different opinions ... of you said you don't know then the terrible thing will definitely happen to you if it was true and you dont know if its true or not , and if you chosed one of the "five" there is a chance of 20% you will save your self .

its not possible because you have to believe in something " but this also make atheism unacceptable as believe system " but its way much better , the reason for this is every religious can pretend to be an agonist or atheist and then start to mind control you to make you believe in his religion , you need a temple and some sorta of a pray and religious practices like "satanism" that religious people cant do and naver do to make sure that "other" is like you and you dont become an easy bray for any one want you to believe in his ideas especially if you were good at anything like acting and singing , you will be easily mind controlled and you will be weak and not to trust anyone wich rais tones of other issues .

 

[Kirran]

being agnostic is not logical neither possible for humans , if you dont know then you dont know the absolute truth or the ultimate truth .. then you dont know if god exist or not or hell exist or not , religions mistakes are mistakes because they are based on our 5 senses and understanding ability and knowledge and cultuer , if you dont know they are correct or not then you have to take the hell idea seriously and keep looking if it is true or not because there is people saying god contacted them and the one who don't believe will go to hell ! its like you dont know if there was some one dying inside that house or not and someone else came to you telling you she is dying and you have to help by calling ambulance and then he left leaving you some evidence about that , would you call the ambulance or not ? okay lets say in the first time you did and there was no one inside that house , this thing happens again and someone asked the same thing .. would you just walk beside the house and say i dont care ? there could be a someone inside ? or are you going to check inside ? because you can't go inside the house .. you will check the evidence to make sure if there was a really someone or not .. but the problem you cant figure out if its real or just like the old time when someone lied to you , even though it's safer to call the ambulance for help even if it was a lie,okay lets say that there is a five people came to you .. every one is asking for help that there is someone inside that house needs help , and every one gave you an evidence for that ( or saying this is an evedance ) and its in some sorta away could be an evedance .. but each of the five tellers told you that there house is filled with gas containing some virus and it will effect the whole city , and each one of the five told you cant help any of the other four because they are fake and tey will effect you if you helped them. what would you do in this situation ?you cant just say i don't know , mainly you will have to call everyone specialized in this and ask them for help .. but they all say different opinions ... of you said you don't know then the terrible thing will definitely happen to you if it was true and you dont know if its true or not , and if you chosed one of the "five" there is a chance of 20% you will save your self .

Woah, wall of text.

Believing in a deity or not is less of a matter of life and death.

 

[Pegg]

why should i believe in god ? and why not to believe in god ?

If life matters to you, then you should believe in God because he is a life giver. And if he is real, then obviously our lives are dependent on him.

So if you like to live, then believe. And if not, dont.

Even God himself says "I have put life and death before you" You get to choose.

 

[FearGod]

If life matters to you, then you should believe in God because he is a life giver. And if he is real, then obviously our lives are dependent on him.

So if you like to live, then believe. And if not, dont.

Even God himself says "I have put life and death before you" You get to choose.

Many like to live but don't believe.

 

[Pegg]

Many like to live but don't believe.

true.

But in order to live, God requires obedience to his righteous laws and standards. So if people dont believe, its also very likely that they will not live by Gods righteous laws....and in that case, they will not be permitted to live.

Deuteronomy 30:16 “If you listen to the commandments of Jehovah your God that I am commanding you today, by loving Jehovah your God,+ by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his judicial decisions, then you will live+ and multiply, and Jehovah your God will bless you in the land you are going to possess"

 

[Kirran]

true.

But in order to live, God requires obedience to his righteous laws and standards. So if people dont believe, its also very likely that they will not live by Gods righteous laws....and in that case, they will not be permitted to live.

Deuteronomy 30:16 “If you listen to the commandments of Jehovah your God that I am commanding you today, by loving Jehovah your God,+ by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his judicial decisions, then you will live+ and multiply, and Jehovah your God will bless you in the land you are going to possess"

In certain worldviews, true enough. I don't accept the Bible, personally.

 

[columbus]

okay this is my first question :

why should i believe in god ?

Because you live in Saudi Arabia where the religious people have guns and police powers.

Here is a question from me:
"Is the punishment of Raif Badawi Islamic and moral"?

Tom

 

[Ingledsva]

being agonist is not logical neither possible for humans , if you dont know then you dont know the absolute truth or the ultimate truth .. then you dont know if god exist or not or hell exist or not , religions mistakes are mistakes because they are based on our 5 senses and understanding ability and knowledge and cultuer , if you dont know they are correct or not then you have to take the hell idea seriously and keep looking if it is true or not because there is people saying god contacted them and the one who don't believe will go to hell ! ... .

OK, That is a wall of text, and I've decided to just take the first sentence.

1. Being agnostic is obviously possible for humans, - I am Agnostic.

2. Being Agnostic is perfectly logical, as there is no proof either direction.

3. There is no reason to need to know absolute truth.

4. Being Agnostic, - DOES NOT mean you have to take the idea of Hell seriously. Belief or not, - in a God, - has NOTHING to do with any particular religious dogma. What people claim about their particular religious dogma - does not make that dogma true. Nor does a Theist have to believe in any particular religious dogma. - They just need a belief in some God concept.

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[Pegg]

In certain worldviews, true enough. I don't accept the Bible, personally.

Yes, well it all comes down to the age old question.... "Who is the True God"

We all make our choice and we will all live (or die) with the consequences of that choice.

 

[Kirran]

Yes, well it all comes down to the age old question.... "Who is the True God"

We all make our choice and we will all live (or die) with the consequences of that choice.

I don't believe in absolute truth, so for me no one path holds the only legitimate truth.

 

[Mukkled]

will sorry about the "wall of text" i made it short as i could , for those saying i have to believe in god .. it just doesnt make sense , if atheism problem was in the values then religion problem will be in the idea itself , any one could be so easy a god ..there is a lot of figures .. there teachings are absolute truth and no one can say other wise or to understand religion in different way than them .any one could claim god contacted them or the had been in contact with higher power and it gave them something and this rais tons of issues .

when you follow a religion you have to follow the shake or the priest because they have much knowledge than you do , a religious guy will do anything to make you believe in his god .. and if he couldn't he might start to harm you or do something wrong to you , he might force you .. try to kill you .. mind control you . also to have group of thoughts and never to change them through your life or doubt them whether they are right or not is not something good , its actually bad .. also any one can use religion to get what he wants or need and history is filled with examples like that i guess , the idea of religion make doing any crime or wrong thing okay since it's for god .

 

[URAVIP2ME]

hello all..
okay this is my first question :
why should i believe in god ? and why not to believe in god ?

Examine the world around you with examining the Holy Bible.
For example:
What did Jesus teach ?
Jesus foretold about bad global world troubles as we see on earth today at Matthew chapter 24 and Luke chapter 21
Jesus foretold the solution to global troubles on earth is God's kingdom in the hands of Christ Jesus - Matthew 24:14; Daniel 2:44

Jesus taught only ' sleep in death ' at John 11 vs 11-14
That unconscious sleep-like state dispels common ' religious-myth ' ideas. Religious lies such as:

All go to heaven at death -when Scripture teaches otherwise - Revelation 2:10; 5:9,10: 20:6; Hebrews 11:13,39
Death is always the end of life on earth -when Scripture teaches otherwise - Genesis 1:28; 2:17; Romans 5:12; Acts 24:15; Rev. 22:2
God ' takes ' people away from loved ones -when Scripture teaches otherwise - Job 34:15; Psalm 37:11,29; Psalm 115:16
God ' takes ' babies and children to become angels -when Scripture teaches otherwise - Psalm 104:1,4; Hebrews 1:7,14
God tortures some people after death -when Scripture teaches otherwise - Psalm 115:17; 146:4; Romans 6:23,7; Ecclesiastes 9:5
Both Satan and biblical hell ( grave ) are permanent -when Scripture teaches otherwise - Hebrews 2:14 B; Rev. 20:13,14; 21:8
There is No earthly resurrection -when Scripture teaches otherwise - Job 14:14,15; John 3:13; Daniel 12:2,13; Acts 2:34
There is No such thing as Jesus' coming 1000-year ruling over earth -when Scripture teaches otherwise - Revelation chapter 20
Earth will never be a beautiful paradise-like Garden like Eden originally was -when Scripture teaches otherwise - Isaiah 11:3-9; 2:4; 25:8; 65:16,17 and Isaiah chapter 35; Micah 4:3,4; Revelation 22:2

Why wouldn't people want to examine what Jesus taught, or what the Bible really teaches, and compare what Jesus taught with other teachings to see what makes the most sense about why believe in his God?

 

[Ingledsva]

Examine the world around you with examining the Holy Bible.
For example:
What did Jesus teach ?
Jesus foretold about bad global world troubles as we see on earth today at Matthew chapter 24 and Luke chapter 21
Jesus foretold the solution to global troubles on earth is God's kingdom in the hands of Christ Jesus - Matthew 24:14; Daniel 2:44

Jesus taught only ' sleep in death ' at John 11 vs 11-14
That unconscious sleep-like state dispels common ' religious-myth ' ideas. Religious lies such as:

All go to heaven at death -when Scripture teaches otherwise - Revelation 2:10; 5:9,10: 20:6; Hebrews 11:13,39
Death is always the end of life on earth -when Scripture teaches otherwise - Genesis 1:28; 2:17; Romans 5:12; Acts 24:15; Rev. 22:2
God ' takes ' people away from loved ones -when Scripture teaches otherwise - Job 34:15; Psalm 37:11,29; Psalm 115:16
God ' takes ' babies and children to become angels -when Scripture teaches otherwise - Psalm 104:1,4; Hebrews 1:7,14
God tortures some people after death -when Scripture teaches otherwise - Psalm 115:17; 146:4; Romans 6:23,7; Ecclesiastes 9:5
Both Satan and biblical hell ( grave ) are permanent -when Scripture teaches otherwise - Hebrews 2:14 B; Rev. 20:13,14; 21:8
There is No earthly resurrection -when Scripture teaches otherwise - Job 14:14,15; John 3:13; Daniel 12:2,13; Acts 2:34
There is No such thing as Jesus' coming 1000-year ruling over earth -when Scripture teaches otherwise - Revelation chapter 20
Earth will never be a beautiful paradise-like Garden like Eden originally was -when Scripture teaches otherwise - Isaiah 11:3-9; 2:4; 25:8; 65:16,17 and Isaiah chapter 35; Micah 4:3,4; Revelation 22:2

Why wouldn't people want to examine what Jesus taught, or what the Bible really teaches, and compare what Jesus taught with other teachings to see what makes the most sense about why believe in his God?

Nothing that a religious book says, - makes Deity real.

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[thau]

hello all.. Okay, just ignore my title because I wanted to make it interesting.. even though it's totally correct :}


I want to ask some questions.. but I need solid answers, I'm terribly uneducated and I don't know anything about religion, and to be honest I don't like the west at all.. I respect some individuals only, and lets say the secularist duds for now, my questions will be about a lot of things and not just religion.. I'm sorry if this not the right place.. I'm a little bit of troll but also so serious about these questions. I don't read and I hate reading. the questions are for everyone , muslims , christians , athiests , budist , and saitnism

..etc .



okay this is my first question :

why should i believe in god ? and why not to believe in god ?

Well for me, it appears most atheists or agnostics demand empirical evidence to believe.

I submit that the Judeo G-d and the Christian God (one in the same of course for a Christian) has provided more than a multitude of signs and wonders that are very apparent and real and simply cannot be explained in the natural. That is the evidence for God.

Not in all cases, but in many hundreds of cases it is simply the testimony of a number of eye witnesses. And the response of the skeptic is nothing more than "the testimony of the eye witness is the most unreliable of evidence." Really? That's lame. Especially when the events number in the hundreds. Everyone is a liar. Sure. If one waits until God appears to them in their own bedroom, well good luck with that.

Then there are other miracles that are observed by far more than 10,000 eye witnesses such as at Fatima and Zeitoun, Egypt. Again, all liars? Then we have science who have de facto proved the inexplicable qualities found in the Shroud of Turin. Again, the counter explanations just do not hold up. All they speak of is agenda to me.