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Saudi Top Cleric: Iranian twelvers are not muslims

Servant_of_the_One1

Well-Known Member
Saudi Arabia's top cleric says Iranians are 'not Muslims'
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Image captionSheikh Abdul Aziz Al Sheikh was dismissive of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's comments
Saudi Arabia's top cleric has said Iranians are "not Muslims", a day after Iran's supreme leader denounced its management of the Hajj pilgrimage.

Abdul Aziz Al Sheikh, the grand mufti, said Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's accusations were "not surprising".

"They are the sons of the Magi," he said, referring to Zoroastrianism, a religion that once dominated Iran.

Deep suspicions exist between predominantly Sunni Muslim Saudi Arabia and its mainly Shia Muslim neighbour.

On Monday, Ayatollah Khamenei accused Saudis of "murdering" pilgrims caught up in a stampede at last year's Hajj.

"The heartless and murderous Saudis locked up the injured with the dead in containers - instead of providing medical treatment and helping them or at least quenching their thirst," he said, without providing evidence. "They murdered them."

"The world of Islam, including Muslim governments and peoples, must familiarize themselves with the Saudi rulers and correctly understand their blasphemous, faithless, dependent and materialistic nature. They must not let those rulers escape responsibility for the crimes they have caused throughout the world of Islam," he added.

The ayatollah made the allegation on the anniversary of the stampede, which killed at least 2,426 people, including 464 Iranians, according to an unofficial count.

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Image captionThe authorities in Iran says 464 Iranian pilgrims were killed in last year's stampede at the Hajj
The Saudi authorities, who say 769 died, have made few details of their investigation into the stampede public but previously rejected criticism.

Sheikh Al Sheikh was dismissive when asked by the Mecca newspaper about Ayatollah Khamenei's comments.

"We must understand these are not Muslims," he was quoted as saying. "They are the son of the Magi and their hostility towards Muslims is an old one, especially with the People of the Tradition [Sunnis]."

Animosity between Sunnis - who make up an estimated 85-90% of Saudi Arabia's population - and Shia - about 90-95% of Iran's population - goes back to a 7th Century schism.

Hardline Sunnis - including many adherents of Wahhabism, the austere form of Islam practised by the Saudi ruling family and religious establishment - often describe Shia as "rejectionists" who have strayed from the true faith.

The war of words between the clerics also comes nine months after Saudi Arabia severed diplomatic ties with Iran in response to attacks on Saudi diplomatic compounds in Iran by people angered by the kingdom's execution of a prominent Shia cleric convicted of terrorism offences.



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I changed the title. The sheikh meant to say Iranian Twelvers are non-muslims for many legitimate reasons.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
This is the continuation of a religious civil war that dates back to just after the founding of Islam and especially to the battle of Karbala some 1500 odd years or so.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
What this looks to me like is a battle for regional power. The Saudis have been propped up by a combination of US military power and control of the Islamic holy sites. Iran is flexing it's economic and cultural muscles.
It'll probably get a lot worse before it gets better.
Tom
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I have to agree with the Iranian cleric here. I don't see why anyone should care about what the disgusting Saudi elites have to say about anything, not to imply that the Iranian elites are pure.
 

Servant_of_the_One1

Well-Known Member
What this looks to me like is a battle for regional power. The Saudis have been propped up by a combination of US military power and control of the Islamic holy sites. Iran is flexing it's economic and cultural muscles.
It'll probably get a lot worse before it gets better.
Tom
both(iran & saudis) are regarded to be traitorous states. however with slight differences: iran is populated by only 15% muslims, the others are indeed shias. So we are talking about a country where muslims are minority. As for saudi arabia, 85% are muslims and 15% shias.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
This is the continuation of a religious civil war that dates back to just after the founding of Islam and especially to the battle of Karbala some 1500 odd years or so.
Then, as now, the political elite are bringing God and religion into a political power game to rile up the little people.
Christians and Muslims have been doing this for centuries, while also claiming to be The Religion of Peace.
Tom
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
iran is populated by only 15% muslims, the others are indeed shias. So we are talking about a country where muslims are minority.
You sound just like the Protestant Christians who don't think that Catholics or Mormons are Christians.
My understanding is that a Muslim is someone who believes "There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is His Prophet". I'm curious about your understanding.
Tom
 

faroukfarouk

Active Member
Hello Tom
If i offer you $10,000 on condition that you state "There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is His Prophet".
and you accept my offer.
Does that make you a believer or a hypocrite?
 

Servant_of_the_One1

Well-Known Member
You sound just like the Protestant Christians who don't think that Catholics or Mormons are Christians.
My understanding is that a Muslim is someone who believes "There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is His Prophet". I'm curious about your understanding.
Tom



I wished that was as simple as u said.

In that case Assad would be regarded as muslim, when he is clear disbeliever Kaafir.


My whole issue with shia is major one. Is Faith and Polytheism. I believe they are polytheistic, and i have the freedom to hold such faith.
 

MD

qualiaphile
I agree. This sectarian chest-beating from two Muslim tyrannies is most amusing.

This will probably continue for centuries, it goes far deeper than Sunni vs Shi'a. It is basically the continuation of a 3000 year old push and pull between Iran and the rest of the Middle East.

In some ways it's similar to what was going on in Europe until WW2, which pretty much decimated the continent to the point that ancient enemies became allies.
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
lol that chestbeating won't stop the Houthis my dear Wahhabites, perhaps you should've invested in an actual armed forces.

But perhaps the Americans will save them.
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Watching the Saudi & Iranian governments go back & forth is like watching two men flinging poo at one another and arguing over who's more full of ****.
 
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