Ajax
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I'm sorry but dream is defined as a series of thoughts, images, and sensations occurring in a person's mind during sleep.
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"Saul(Paul) vowed to destroy all Christians throughout the world"
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stvdv
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You try to gaslight me and You failed
Better you read more careful my reply
Would save you the embarrassment
paarsurrey
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"Saul(Paul) vowed to destroy all Christians throughout the world"
"Saul(Paul) vowed to destroy all Christians throughout the world":
"Paul narrates his origins. As Saul of Tarsus, a Jewish boy, he was influenced by the zealotry of his leaders and witnessed the martyrdom of Stephen at their hands for professing faith in Jesus Christ. This event made "Saul vow to destroy all Christians throughout the world until the day he rode for Damascus with his brethren." He became blinded by God and heard His voice asking why Saul persecuted Him. This event along with Saul's meeting Ananias, a disciple of Christ, humbled Saul so deeply that he repented of his actions. Ananias restored Saul's sight and baptized him in the name of the Lord, which led to Saul rejecting his former name and becoming Paul."
Paul, Apostle of Christ - Wikipedia
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
OMG this is about a movie again, from 2018."Saul(Paul) vowed to destroy all Christians throughout the world"
"Saul(Paul) vowed to destroy all Christians throughout the world":
"Paul narrates his origins. As Saul of Tarsus, a Jewish boy, he was influenced by the zealotry of his leaders and witnessed the martyrdom of Stephen at their hands for professing faith in Jesus Christ. This event made "Saul vow to destroy all Christians throughout the world until the day he rode for Damascus with his brethren." He became blinded by God and heard His voice asking why Saul persecuted Him. This event along with Saul's meeting Ananias, a disciple of Christ, humbled Saul so deeply that he repented of his actions. Ananias restored Saul's sight and baptized him in the name of the Lord, which led to Saul rejecting his former name and becoming Paul."
Paul, Apostle of Christ - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
rocala
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You seriously have to wonder if paarsurrey is even bothering to read other peoples replies.
Sorry, but I cannot agree. It is not only Paul but the authors of the gospels who refer not only to saving the Jews but to the Jews' purpose as a people. They place a burden upon the Jews to save or to at least improve the world. The gospels argue that the situation has changed. Let me show some examples.
- Three gospels name the Jews "Salt of the earth." : Mat 5:13, Luke 14:34, Mark 9:50 Normally Jews would be separate; but salt mixes in and improves mixtures.
- Matthew argues that Jesus generation is special #42. They are 14 x 3 generations from Adam.
- Jesus turns water into wine, says that stones can be made into sons for Abraham and says that salvation is from the Jews. (John chapter 2, Matthew 3:9, John 4:22) He alludes to a broader salvation than the Jews alone.
- The book Revelation alludes to Zechariah 14 in which holiness has somehow become a transformative thing which rolls out and spreads, and Revelation gives an interpretation of Zechariah 14. Here is some sample text from it: "I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it." (Revelation 21:22-24 NIV)
So, if I understand correctly, in your opinion all religions are equal. In that case, please explain why did you choose the one you have?
stvdv
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paarsurrey
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This event made "Saul vow to destroy all Christians throughout the world until the day he rode for Damascus with his brethren."
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
You replied to 1213, who said "Everyone who chooses something, shows at the same time that he thinks it is superior to what he didn't choose. People don't choose something that they don't think is the best choice." Your reply was NOT TRUE, that is is true ONLY for those who are believers.
So yes, I did read your post carefully, and replied appropriately. You are mistaken if you think non-believers who have non-religious beliefs that are similarly not chosen, but they are simply convinced or not convinced. No one believes in anything they are convinced is wrong.
stvdv
Veteran Member
@IndigoChild5559
I think "my Faith is NOT Superior"
I am the one who knows what I think
Don't pretend to know "what I think"
IF
You think "your Faith is Superior"
THEN
I have nothing more to say to you
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IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Oh okay, I'm fine with that. You also quoted @1213 "Everyone who chooses something, shows at the same time that he thinks it is superior to what he didn't choose. People don't choose something that they don't think is the best choice." I would say that 1213 is quite mistaken.
Ebionite
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I should have said vision rather than dream. Acts 10:10-28. There was no reason for Peter to know about the mission to the lost sheep of Israel:
He saith unto him the third time, Simon, [son] of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
John 21:17
Ebionite
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I should have said vision...
And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
Acts 10:10
Ebionite
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The movie has a fairly imaginative take on Paul's epistles.
For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.
2 Corinthians 11:5
Ebionite
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Matthew 5:13 is about the disciples, not Jews in general.
isn't about the jews
isn't about the jews
Paul, as a Pharisee, is like leaven, not salt.
Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
Matthew 13:33
The metaphor of food and eating can be applied towards religious leaders:
Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord YHWH unto the shepherds; Woe [be] to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?
Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: [but] ye feed not the flock.
Ezekiel 34:2-3
.. and to Paul in particular:
For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land, [which] shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces.
Zechariah 11:16
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Matthew 5 is the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus is addressing all the Jews who have come to hear him teach. So no, 5:13 is not about the disciples.
Lets consider it. What about: [Mat 7:28 NIV] 28 "When Jesus had finished saying these things, the crowds were amazed at his teaching,"
Luke 14:34 is in my opinion. I don't expect to corner you with it, but generally I think its accessible and parallels Matthew 7.
Its not obvious in Mark 9:50 by itself, however it is a parallel to Matthew 7 which says he's talking to a crowd.
Rebuttal: The Pharisee in the gospels is a charicature. He is given a venemous bite, argumentative disposition and an extreme and ironic position on the law. His behavior makes him cold and indifferent when he would be warm and helpful, but if this is really so for real Pharisees then Psalm 19:7 is wrong when it says the law makes people wise and converts them. Why such characture? It is to argue that their belief about the holy spirit is flawed.
I maintain that the 'Leaven' Jesus talks about is an alleged belief that the holy spirit (passed by Moses to 72 elders) is confined by the teacher-student relationship. This is what Jesus constantly works to debunk through his arguments with both them and the sadducees and his own 12 motly disciples who mostly dislike one another. The problem Jesus has with the Pharisee is that the Pharisee relies upon this teacher student method believing that the spirit is transferred as through channels. That is the leaven. It is made most clear in the gospel John where Jesus directly explains this error to Nicodemus that actually the spirit goes where it wills. To be the leaven Paul would have to oppose Jesus on that point, but Paul, though he values study and teaching, does not question (in Acts) when the holy spirit comes upon people miraculously. He accepts it. He agrees that people should be baptized in the name of Jesus, not in the name of their teachers. He says there is one baptism only.
I do not trust religious leaders either. Many religious leaders are strongly tempted by every passing whimsy, but they believe very strongly in their capacity to lead. It is ironic, yet it is typical. Seeing them so weak yet so respected and unquestioned, unscrupulous characters are encouraged to also get into religious positions. It happens not merely in Jewish scripture but throughout the world.
Ajax
Active Member
You are aware of this, I suppose...
"The Apostle Paul had a chronic disease. Epilepsy is offered as the most likely hypothesis. Interpretation of parts of the Pauline epistles suggests the possibility of facial motor and sensitive disturbances coming after ecstatic seizures. Though unusual, there are, however, case histories of patients who experienced ecstatic auras." [Saint Paul disease. Ectasia and exstatic seizures] - PubMed
Ebionite
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Were the crowds his disciples? That's all that matters. If they weren't then the "salt of the earth" metaphor wasn't being applied to them.
The Pharisees were were condemned for making the law a burden (among other things). The law of Psalm 19:7 wasn't burdensome:
For my yoke [is] easy, and my burden is light.
Matthew 11:30
Do you have any facts which connect your position to the description of leaven that is found in the gospels?
The problem with world leaders in outlined in the book of Ezekiel:
And all the trees of the field shall know that I YHWH have brought down the high tree, have exalted the low tree, have dried up the green tree, and have made the dry tree to flourish: I YHWH have spoken and have done [it].
Ezekiel 17:24