Scenarios: is it possible to walk both the LHP and the RHP at the same time?

[crossfire]

For the purpose of this thread:

RHP = Joining with "The All" (objectively and/or subjectively)
LHP = Maintaining subjective separation from "The All"

Is it possible to walk both paths at once? Post some scenarios where this is possible, please.

 

[The Hammer]

I prefer this distinction:

" more recent definitions, base themselves on the terms' origins in Indian Tantra, the Right-Hand Path (RHP, or Dakshinachara), is seen as a definition for those magical groups that follow specific ethical codes and adopt social convention, while the Left-Hand Path (LHP, or Vamamarga) adopts the opposite attitude, espousing the breaking of taboo and the abandoning of set morality."

You can have specific ethical codes (not killing others, or performing love magic), and adhere to social conventions in some aspects, while breaking taboo and pushing morality in others (cursing those who have wronged you).

 

[crossfire]

I prefer this distinction:

" more recent definitions, base themselves on the terms' origins in Indian Tantra, the Right-Hand Path (RHP, or Dakshinachara), is seen as a definition for those magical groups that follow specific ethical codes and adopt social convention, while the Left-Hand Path (LHP, or Vamamarga) adopts the opposite attitude, espousing the breaking of taboo and the abandoning of set morality."

You can have specific ethical codes (not killing others, or performing love magic), and adhere to social conventions in some aspects, while breaking taboo and pushing morality in others (cursing those who have wronged you).

This scenario would be maintaining your subjective mind separate from "The All," no? You are the one making the decision for yourself.

Another useful tool:
RHP = Thy will be done
LHP = My will be done

 

[The Hammer]

Another useful tool:
RHP = Thy will be done
LHP = My will be done

My own Will can be done, while also doing the Will of various deities if so desired.

It's not an on off switch. Working with a Deity(s) doesn't negate self deification.

 

[crossfire]

My own Will can be done, while also doing the Will of various deities if so desired.

It's not an on off switch. Working with a Deity(s) doesn't negate self deification.

keywords: "if so desired" Is your mind being overcome?

 

[The Hammer]

keywords: "if so desired"

Hence a blend of two paths.

Edit: and why I typically stay out of the LHP dir

 

[crossfire]

Hence a blend of two paths.

Edit: and why I typically stay out of the LHP dir

If you are maintaining your own mind, it is LHP. (or at least Western LHP)

 

[VoidCat]

I have a few thoughts but can't think of how to form them into words

 

[crossfire]

I'm going to post a link to Aleister Crowley's Magick Without Tears chapter XII where he discusses "Black brothers of the Left Hand Path for easy reference:
Chapter XII: The Left-Hand Path—"The Black Brothers" - Magick Without Tears - The Libri of Aleister Crowley - Hermetic Library

Crowley was RHP in this respect.

 

[VoidCat]

So many western lhp folk say you can't be lhp when following or worshiping deities. That's RHP.
But one key thing with lhp is Self deifaction and following yourself over deities.
Why can't I do both? Follow multiple deities and self deify? Combine the two?

 

[VoidCat]

I'm going to post a link to Aleister Crowley's Magick Without Tears chapter XII where he discusses "Black brothers of the Left Hand Path for easy reference:
Chapter XII: The Left-Hand Path—"The Black Brothers" - Magick Without Tears - The Libri of Aleister Crowley - Hermetic Library

Crowley was RHP in this respect.

I'll read this tommorrow. It's 2 am here need sleep

 

[crossfire]

So many western lhp folk say you can't be lhp when following or worshiping deities. That's RHP.
But one key thing with lhp is Self deifaction and following yourself over deities.
Why can't I do both? Follow multiple deities and self deify? Combine the two?

You can certainly try it, especially if you are doing it on your own.

 

[VoidCat]

You can certainly try it, especially if you are doing it on your own.

Exactly why I say my path isn't purely LHP or RHP and what @The Hammer. Meant. I'm following my own path. I'm mostly LHP at this time cuz I serve none but myself. And wish to deify the Self. But im RHP in the sense I do worship deities.

 

[crossfire]

Exactly why I say my path isn't purely LHP or RHP and what @The Hammer. Meant. I'm following my own path. I'm mostly LHP at this time cuz I serve none but myself. And wish to deify the Self. But im RHP in the sense I do worship deities.

I would say you are theistic rather than RHP in this respect.

 

[crossfire]

I'm going skim over the technical details for expediency's sake. I can go into more detail in PM if you wish:

So many western lhp folk say you can't be lhp when following or worshiping deities. That's RHP.

That would be specifically true in the context of Luciferianism, but not necessarily when working with other archetypes. Collective worship of Lucifer could very well result in having your individual mind devoured by the collective, which would be specifically RHP. (It would be kinda like being assimilated by the Borg.) For a contrasting example: individual or collective worship of Satan might result in raising of individuals' Shadows which may then devour separate individuals' minds, which might result in ego loss among those individuals, but not necessarily result in hive-mind assimilation.

 

[Onyx]

RHP = Joining with "The All" (objectively and/or subjectively)
LHP = Maintaining subjective separation from "The All"

I think there is really only "your path" which can deviate to the "left" or "right" as defined here. When faced with a crossroads, you can't go down two avenues at once.

It's possible to act in seemingly RHP ways with LHP goals in mind, or uphold certain values for your own reasons. But I'm not sure how you can realistically split the difference between the two paths beyond that.

So many western lhp folk say you can't be lhp when following or worshiping deities.

It's probably irrelevant if the line is drawn at restriction and submission. In my opinion theistic beliefs are purely subjective though, and without some element of doubt they could possibly lead to delusion. But I wouldn't jump to that conclusion as some seem to do.

 

[crossfire]

I think there is really only "your path" which can deviate to the "left" or "right" as defined here. When faced with a crossroads, you can't go down two avenues at once.

It's possible to act in seemingly RHP ways with LHP goals in mind, or uphold certain values for your own reasons. But I'm not sure how you can realistically split the difference between the two paths beyond that.



It's probably irrelevant if the line is drawn at restriction and submission. In my opinion theistic beliefs are purely subjective though, and without some element of doubt they could possibly lead to delusion. But I wouldn't jump to that conclusion as some seem to do.

I would say that Theistic Satanism is LHP, because when the Shadow (Satan) is raised, even if it devours the ego, resulting in ego loss, ones mind still remains as an individual. The "covering cherub" protects from assimilation into hive mind collectives. Theistic Luciferianism, however, works in much the same way as Christianity, with the collective "Christ" and individuals being "raptured" to join "the prince of the Air." --RHP all the way

 

[Onyx]

Theistic Luciferianism, however, works in much the same way as Christianity, with the collective "Christ" and individuals being "raptured" to join "the prince of the Air." --RHP all the way

Is this related to a particular definition of Theistic Luciferianism? It seems like more of an umbrella term, but I don't know much about it.

 

[crossfire]

Is this related to a particular definition of Theistic Luciferianism? It seems like more of an umbrella term, but I don't know much about it.

The practice of communal theistic worship.

 

[1137]

For the purpose of this thread:

RHP = Joining with "The All" (objectively and/or subjectively)
LHP = Maintaining subjective separation from "The All"

Is it possible to walk both paths at once? Post some scenarios where this is possible, please.

Absolutely not, they are mutually exclusive meta-positions, each with their own sub- and mutually exclusive paths. You cannot seek to lose the Self and deify the Self, to Separate and Unify, and so on.

If you are maintaining your own mind, it is LHP. (or at least Western LHP)

What do you mean by this?

I'm going to post a link to Aleister Crowley's Magick Without Tears chapter XII where he discusses "Black brothers of the Left Hand Path for easy reference:
Chapter XII: The Left-Hand Path—"The Black Brothers" - Magick Without Tears - The Libri of Aleister Crowley - Hermetic Library

Crowley was RHP in this respect.

Yes, and because of his clear Solar bias he is a bad source for defining the LHP in the Western Tradition, which is explicitly Stellar rather than Solar. What's funny is that AL clearly teaches the ways of both paths with a heavy preference for the Left, probably why Crolwey hid the book till he could sufficiently Solarize it.

So many western lhp folk say you can't be lhp when following or worshiping deities. That's RHP.
But one key thing with lhp is Self deifaction and following yourself over deities.
Why can't I do both? Follow multiple deities and self deify? Combine the two?

You can worship deities, just depends on what you mean by "worship".