School board meeting in North Carolina about a book

[fantome profane]

"Innocence" is a synonym for "ignorance." They mean the same thing, but emotional connotations are different.
So why is one desirable and the other undesirable?

One on those I have been told is bliss.

But I don’t know.

 

[Twilight Hue]

No one is "requiring nudity". Thank you for failing to justify your position.

OK. I'll adjust it to reflect with your

"most in need of this work" comment.


See? I can be flexible.

 

[Curious George]

When I was 10 I was reading Playboy.

“Reading”

 

[fantome profane]

“Reading”

I was 10. Yes, I was actually reading it. Wondering what all the fuss was about.

 

[We Never Know]

Except that it's still here and available to those who wish to view it, and anyone here who would have a problem with nudity would likely be the sort who would also take issue with these books. It's a warning, not a ban, so the equivalent would be the book having warnings, which they may already have.

As said to me the other day in another forum....
"These kids that we have to teach and remind not to eat crayons, boogers and tide pods, are they really ready and at the age to learn about sex, gender, LGBTQIA, etc."

 

[Estro Felino]

What shocks adults is not what shocks children. What we should be shocked by is learned, not natural.
To a child, everything is new and strange. Sorting out the shocking from the mundane is part of growing up. Don't let your own hang-ups pass to your children.
Teaching a three year old that a frog is disgusting, blacks are unclean, or sexual intercourse more shocking than eating, does not instill healthy values.

Do you agree with this Spanish minister?

Translation

Sex education is a child's right, regardless of his/her family. Because all the children in this country have the right to know their own body, and to know that no adult can touch their body, unless they want them to. Unless they want them to. And that that is a form of violence.
They have the right to know that they have the right to have sex with whomever they want, which is based upon consent, of course.
And these are recognized rights.

(I am disgusted and horrified)

 

[SomeRandom]

Do you agree with this Spanish minister?

Sex education is a child's right, regardless of his/her family. Because all the children in this country have the right to know their own body, and to know that no adult can't touch their body, unless they want them to. Unless the want them to. And that would be a form of violence.
They have the right to know that they have the right to have sex with whomever they want, which is based upon consent, of course.
And these are recognized rights.

(I am disgusted and horrified)

The text under the video, is that a translation? Looks a bit wonky.

Because if so, then I’d say that I’d agree with her.

Sex education is a child’s right and should be the responsibility of not only the parents but the community and schools.
After all, studies routinely show that comprehensive science based sex education reduces the risks of sexual abuse and assault.
Since the children are far more informed of what constitutes proper boundaries, what red flags to look out for (grooming behaviour) and what the options are for reporting concerns.

Sex education reduces child abuse: is this the right way forward? - Fácio Jr - Journal of Xiangya Medicine

jxym.amegroups.com

I, for one, agree with measures that reduce child sexual abuse.

 

[Estro Felino]

The text under the video, is that a translation? Looks a bit wonky.

Yes, I translated it. Spanish is my second language. I can speak Spanish fluently and I understand it perfectly.
She seems a bit too passionate and her speech is not as linear as it should be.

Because if so, then I’d say that I’d agree with her.

Sex education is a child’s right and should be the responsibility of not only the parents but the community and schools.
After all, studies routinely show that comprehensive science based sex education reduces the risks of sexual abuse and assault.

Of course sex education is a child's right. But she goes even further.
She says that children can have sex with whomever they want. They only need to give their consent.

The word she uses is children (boys and girls) which means prepubescents.
Because in Spanish high schoolers are called chicos. Chicos y chicas.

 

[SomeRandom]

Yes, I translated it. Spanish is my second language. I can speak Spanish fluently and I understand it perfectly.
She seems a bit too passionate and her speech is not as linear as it should be.

Ahh fair enough

Of course sex education is a child's right. But she goes even further.
She says that children can have sex with whomever they want. They only need to give their consent.

The word she uses is children (boys and girls) which means prepubescents.
Because in Spanish high schoolers are called chicos. Chicos y chicas.

Perhaps her enthusiasm is making her misspeak? (If I were to give her the benefit of the doubt.)
Otherwise that is indeed disturbing

That said, I do know that children do tend to experiment somewhat. Not saying I like that that happens, obviously.
But it’s actually a well known side affect of sexual abuse that a victim may mimic the behaviour with a peer, in an attempt to understand what happened to them. For example.
Of course sex education can potentially reduce such instances as well. Or at the very least give a victim enough confidence to seek help if such an incident does occur.

 

[Estro Felino]

Perhaps her enthusiasm is making her misspeak? (If I were to give her the benefit of the doubt.)
Otherwise that is indeed disturbing

That said, I do know that children do tend to experiment somewhat. Not saying I like that that happens, obviously.
But it’s actually a well known side affect of sexual abuse that a victim may mimic the behaviour with a peer, in an attempt to understand what happened to them. For example.
Of course sex education can potentially reduce such instances as well. Or at the very least give a victim enough confidence to seek help if such an incident does occur.

Yes, it is indeed disturbing. If you have Google Chrome, you can translate the page of the comments on YouTube.
They are all from shocked, mystified and disgusted people.

 

[SomeRandom]

Yes, it is indeed disturbing. If you have Google Chrome, you can translate the page of the comments on YouTube.
They are all from shocked, mystified and disgusted people.

Interesting

Though I find social media rife with overly emotional responses. Myself included.
So I try not to judge based on the comment section of anything lol

 

[Valjean]

As said to me the other day in another forum....
"These kids that we have to teach and remind not to eat crayons, boogers and tide pods, are they really ready and at the age to learn about sex, gender, LGBTQIA, etc."

You present the information. They absorb what they can. As they mature, they absorb more. Gradually, they sort the world out.

 

[We Never Know]

You present the information. They absorb what they can. As they mature, they absorb more. Gradually, they sort the world out.

So lets start them on physics at 5 right?

 

[SkepticThinker]

I love that documentary. Amazingly the actor that played Kramer in Seinfeld is in it.

Wait, what? Kramer?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Why? How does it harm them? Through 99% of human history children witnessed nudity and sexual congress regularly, It isn't reported to have harmed them.
What's harmful to children is not a matter of opinion. What do the experts say about it?

Right. I mean, my grandparents both grew up in a one room house with like, 6+ siblings each, that all shared a bed And a bathtub. (My grandmother was the baby you didn't want to accidentally throw out with the bath water).

 

[Subduction Zone]

Wait, what? Kramer?

You tell me:

EDIT: It is only 12 seconds long. Watch it for the full effect. Kramer is immortal!!

 

[SkepticThinker]

Do you agree with this Spanish minister?

Translation


(I am disgusted and horrified)

I agree with the text underneath the video:

"Sex education is a child's right, regardless of his/her family. Because all the children in this country have the right to know their own body, and to know that no adult can touch their body, unless they want them to. Unless they want them to. And that that is a form of violence.
They have the right to know that they have the right to have sex with whomever they want, which is based upon consent, of course.
And these are recognized rights."

I'd say it's spot on. And I'd say that's one of the most important reasons to teach kids about their bodies.

 

[Father Heathen]

It's would seem RF has established the limits on what ought to be in a school and on this forum.

RF has a spoiler requirement, and schools need that 'special locked shelf' only accessible with parents permission.

Issue solved.

The spoiler tag exists to cater to the same sort of prude who would object to these books.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yes, I translated it. Spanish is my second language. I can speak Spanish fluently and I understand it perfectly.
She seems a bit too passionate and her speech is not as linear as it should be.




Of course sex education is a child's right. But she goes even further.
She says that children can have sex with whomever they want. They only need to give their consent.

The word she uses is children (boys and girls) which means prepubescents.
Because in Spanish high schoolers are called chicos. Chicos y chicas.

I don't seem to have taken it the way you have.

I think she's talking about as children grow up into adulthood, that they should know they have the right to have sex with whomever they choose, based upon consent . Let's face it here, we're not teaching children sex ed so they can have sex as children. Rather, we're teaching it to them to prepare for life as they grow into adulthood and beyond.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You tell me:

EDIT: It is only 12 seconds long. Watch it for the full effect. Kramer is immortal!!

Oh wow! How have I never noticed that before?!
But of course he's immortal, he is Kramer after all.