IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
You lost your credibility when you defended calling for genocide and tried to justify the atrocities of 10/7. I no longer read or respond to your posts.
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School, NYPD 'cannot guarantee Jewish students' safety - Columbia rabbi tells Jewish students to leave Campus
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Clizby Wampuscat
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Were you saying this after oct 7th? That is what inspired these deaths and hamas is to blame. You don’t understand that a 2 state solution is the death of Israel, a ceasefire is the death of more Israelites, Israel will live in peace but they are not allowed to, they are not bent on wiping out all palestinians, where have they said this? They have had enough of the killing by hamas and other terror groups. Hamas GOAL IS TO KILL ALL JEWS. it is what their leaders are saying and many Palestinians support. There is no moral equivalence.
Well, they shouldn't have to retreat from the campus, but it would behoove the authorities to do a better job at maintaining law and order. If the police can't or won't do that, then private groups may improvise their own ways. Some kind of underground or vigilante groups might crop up. I heard that Curtis Sliwa has been back in the news recently. He has a rather odious reputation, but his kind abound throughout America.
You obviously don't know the definition of genocide, look it up, get educated
Heyo
Veteran Member
Then they have very bad aim.
We are getting way off topic. As I said, this is not about the Israel-Palestine conflict, in which I have no sympathies. They have been at each other's throats for ages, and there are no heroes. (And no intention to stop.)
This is about that conflict poisoning the rest of the world and dragging nations and people into it on one side or the other.
You get Palestine sympathizers to attack Jews, who aren't Israelis, and may not even support Israel.
You get Israel sympathizer to attack civil liberties like the right to protest their government for militarily supporting Israel (and are in danger to be drawn into other conflicts started by Israel).
What I call for, is to stop radicalization. When you take a side, you either support a terrorist organization or a government committing war crimes. You don't look good either way.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Here is from the dictionary, exactly as I stated it to be:
gen·o·cide
/ˈjenəˌsīd/
noun
the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.
"a campaign of genocide"
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Not at all. They are doing a very good job at targeting Hamas. The problem is that Hamas embeds among civilians. You should direct your attention there.
Heyo
Veteran Member
Still being tribal, after I explained that I see that as the problem?
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
"You've just bombed a hospital!"
"Correction: I just bombed a terrorist. There was a terrorist in the hospital. My intention is to target terrorists."
"But you also killed hundreds of civilians!"
"But I got the terrorist! Therefore, I am doing a good job."
Tell me, if I were to throw a grenade into you family home in order to kill a terrorist hiding there, would you blame the death of your family solely on the terrorist hiding there, or would you also blame me for showing a complete and total lack of regard for your family's lives in pursuit of a terrorist?
Okay, on second thought, this probably isn't the place to litigate this. But to drag it back to the topic: do you think people who have concluded that maybe Israel's handling of Gaza equates to the above, and that their response and level of violence is unjustified, don't have a right to protest? I understand that there are reports of explicit anti-Semitism from protesters, and those should be investigated and dealt with appropriately, but you don't curtail the right to protest because of a few outliers, any more than the entire University should be shut down because of the outrageous, defamatory and false statements of its professors against the protesters.
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Comumbia University's campus is criss-crossed by public streets. In most or all of the protest photos I've seen, the protestors are in the public right-of-way and not on private property.
Anyone is entitled to be on a public right-of-way and protest on it.
Has anyone done either of these things? I scrolled through a lot of photos and couldn't find any signs to that effect. It may be happening somewhere, but if you can point me to evidence, that would be useful.
And you really expect a university to expel a student in less than what... a week or two? This seems unrealistic even when the student's identity has been absolutely confirmed and it's completely clear that they did the thing they're accused of.
It's absolutely wild to me when people argue that they can't support Hamas because of a future genocide they imagine Hamas committing, and instead support the group that's carrying out an actual genocide right now.
It appears that the fervent Zionist cannot comprehend
that others seek to understand history's role in creating
this long simmering conflict. They see instead support
for Palestinians, & legitimate criticism of Israel as defending
terrorism.
This is a delusion....a very dangerous fanaticism. There can
be no solution...no peace or justice so long as they view
Palestinians / Muslims as sub-human demons to war with,
but never to reason with.
This is how ordinarily decent human beings can set aside
their values to pursue oppression, theft, & genocide.
Israel & its Christian enablers need to recover their
humanity, just as Germany did after its Nazi phase.
You say that you no longer read my posts. (You quote
only the first word.) And yet...you respond with such
prejudice & mistaken hostile objection.
I advise....
Read & understand.
Only then respond.
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Before and after.
I see that you've drunk the Kool-Aid.
You see only that which justifies genocide
of those "human animals".
Your intent to continue to rain down death
& destruction on the populace will only
inspire more violent resistance.
I think both are concerning (which has been my opinion since long before October 7), but I would agree that addressing threatening speech should take immediate precedence due to its greater risk to safety.
I think it is highly dismissive to brush aside the perspectives of those who see the IDF's actions in a similar light as the actions of violent, militant organizations considering that the IDF has so far killed around 30 times as many people as Hamas did on October 7. If you can see why someone would vehemently condemn the perpetrators of a massacre of 1,200 people, the vast majority of whom were civilians, it shouldn't be difficult to see why the same applies to the perpetrators of ongoing massacres that have killed over 34,000 people, the vast majority of whom have also been civilians and about half of whom have been children.
Carrying out strikes where it is a foreseeable, certain result that the majority of those killed will be civilians is identical in terms of outcome to carrying out such a strike specifically to kill the civilians. The results are highly predictable beforehand, and the effects on those who have lost their lives or lost family or friends are the exact same.
As for calling for the killing of all Palestinian civilians, there is no shortage of militaristic rhetoric disregarding the humanity and safety of them, from government officials, no less:
Defense minister announces ‘complete siege’ of Gaza: No power, food or fuel
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www.timesofisrael.com
GOP lawmaker contends ‘there are very few innocent Palestinian citizens’
Rep. Brian Mast (R-Fla.), who wore his Israeli military uniform on Capitol Hill last month, said “there are very few innocent Palestinian citizens” during a speech on the House floor We…
thehill.com
Democrat Pushes Censure Of GOP’s Brian Mast For Comparing ‘Palestinian Civilians’ To ‘Nazi Civilians’
Rep. Rashida Tlaib is also facing calls for censure.
www.forbes.com
Far from not "[having] a clear head," many people don't see any difference in value between the lives of Israeli civilians and those of Gazan ones, consequently seeing both Hamas and the IDF as complicit in civilian bloodshed. One of your earlier posts contained this part:
Anyone promoting genocide and terrorism should be condemned for doing so—and that includes government officials. I see no reason that supporting the military that has killed over 34,000 people should be treated differently from supporting any other attacks on civilians, including the October 7 massacre. This relates to the core of this thread, which is how universities should handle such speech on campuses. I believe that university presidents should ensure consistent and thorough addressing of the problem rather than merely throw a bandage at it by addressing only a part thereof.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
Article 2 of the (Genocide) Convention defines genocide as:
... any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group
Genocide Convention - Wikipedia
Israel is trying to destroy Hamas, just like the west destroyed the Nazis. That is not genocide. Hamas is a terrorist group and not a national, ethnic, racial or religious group. If destroying an enemy that would destroy you if they could is genocide, then any war is genocide.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
Just like Hamas' raining down death and destruction on Israel prompted this response. Why do you take the side of Hamas? You know very well that if Hamas had the firepower Israel does they would destroy Israel. That is what the leaders have said for 40+ years now. The violence will only stop if Hamas is destroyed.
Article 2 of the (Genocide) Convention defines genocide as:
... any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group
Genocide Convention - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Israel is trying to destroy Hamas, just like the west destroyed the Nazis. That is not genocide. Hamas is a terrorist group and not a national, ethnic, racial or religious group. If destroying an enemy that would destroy you if they could is genocide, then any war is genocide.
That's the Israeli government's official line, but it can't be reconciled with what's happening in Gaza. It is a genocide.
The IDF is killing civilians in Gaza at a rate far beyond that of any other recent conflict. Mass graves are being found filled with Palestinians killed by the IDF whose hands were bound by zip ties.
1.7 million Palestinians have been displaced; meanwhile, the Israeli government has approved seizure of land for thousands of new illegal Israeli homes and right-wing Israeli political groups are calling for the full-scale permanent displacement of the Palestinian people from Gaza.
This is ethnic cleansing. This is genocide.