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[Revoltingest]

Since you lost your moral credibility...

IOW, you disagree with me about
the morality of Israel's oppression
& genocide of Palestinians.

I am OK with losing that kind
of moral credibility.

...I no longer read or respond to your posts.

And yet, we continue responding
to each other's posts.

Please stop addressing me.

I respond to posts when compelled.
If you'd rather not see it, there is
the <ignore> function.
I have several conversations going
wherein I'm the only one seeing
both sides of it.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

IOW, you

I have asked you nicely to stop addressing your posts to me. If you don't stop, I will report you for harassment.

 

[Revoltingest]

I have asked you nicely to stop addressing your posts to me. If you don't stop, I will report you for harassment.

It isn't harassment to respond to posts
that I find compelling. I've been more
diplomatic towards you than vice versa.
The <ignore> function exists for what
you want.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

It isn't harassment to respond to posts

It is when the person has specifically asked you to stop. Last warning.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Hiroshima, Nagasaki,

Unnecessary war crimes. It was murderous bloodlust and and a wicked evil curiousity. It was a heinous blow to an already defeated enemy who was starting to surrender.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

goth calls

Whats that?

 

[Revoltingest]

It is when the person has specifically asked you to stop. Last warning.

Again, if you don't to see any responses
from me, the <ignore> function exists
for that purpose.
Another option is to simply not read my
posts. There are posters I usually don't
read. And I don't demand they stop
posting to me. This works well.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I am OK with losing that kind
of moral credibility.

Me too. I'd much rather stand on the side that criticuzes overkill and something we know will fail, Afghanistan being the most recent example of that shows Israel is doomed too fail if thier goal is to beat Hamas by bombing Gaza to the point of has to be rebuilt.
There's also examples that show possible paths to peace, but Israel isn't interested. It's worked for others, Israel doesn't have to figure it out from step one, but they chose instead a siege (usually only done when capture and claiming are the goals).

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Whats that?

I have no idea what "goth calls" means. You altered the text so that it appeared to say something that I didn't say. You need to go back to that post and edit it so that it does not attribute to me something I never said.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Although you are GROSSLY exaggerating (for example, many of the doctors and administrative staff were collaborating with Hamas, and insisting that they weren't in the hospital to protect them, or the fact that Israel gave warning before the bombing so that patients could be transferred) you essentially have it correct.

Considering Israel are a bit scant on actual evidence of any of these claims, and quick to hide the bodies as per a recent UN report, I would say that this can be re-stated as

"You have it correct."

The above cannot be categorized as genocide.

I'm not arguing it is. I'm arguing it's, at the very least, unjustifiable homicide on a vast scale as a result of complete indifference to the lives of civilians.

It is properly understood as collateral damage.

There are degrees of collateral damage that are acceptable, and other degrees that are not. The key question is whether or not Israel is taking steps sufficient to reduce collateral damage, or is displaying a due lack of diligence, concern or basic respect to the extent that they are causing for more "collateral damage" than is necessary. My argument is the latter, and the fact that so many people, like yourself, seem to utterly and totally disregard the lives of these civilians as "necessary collateral" adds credibility to that point.

There have been occasions where countries have carried out targeted strikes against individuals, and others get killed in the process. That is simply part of war.

And, as always, there are DEGREES to which this is acceptable and DEGREES to which it is not. Surely you understand this. You are capable of understanding perfectly well that me killing a terrorist by throwing a grenade into your family home isn't justified, even if I kill the terrorist. You can put all the blame on the terrorist, if you like, but it would be absolutely morally insane to claim I bared no responsibility for that decision. You can't justify ANY DEGREE OF RETALIATION or ANY DEGREE OF COLLATERAL DAMAGE. The argument being made isn't "There ought not to be any collateral damage". It's "The LEVEL OF COLLATERAL DAMAGE is unacceptable, and displays a significant disregard for the lives of civilians in the region". That's the argument you have to refute. Not "We don't want any collateral damage at all".

The fact that the casualty rate is so high in Gaza is because Hamas chooses to embed among civilians. Why aren't you complaining about that?

I do. But a terrorist getting shot while hiding behind a human shield doesn't completely absolve the issue of the person pulling the trigger being willing to kill civilians to shoot a terrorist. There's a moral responsibility on behalf of the person holding the weapon that should always be maintained.

Hence the argument I used and explained, in detail, that you ignored. I would appreciate it if, in future, you responded to the whole content of my posts rather than just selective parts of it.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I do.

Please connect me to a post where you do.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Please connect me to a post where you do.

You're literally going to ignore every other thing I have written to focus on two words?

Try using the search function. I have been a vociferous critic of Hamas.

Now, are you going to respond with the basic respect of dignifying my entire argument with a response, as I do with your posts?

 

[Heyo]

I have no idea what "goth calls" means. You altered the text so that it appeared to say something that I didn't say. You need to go back to that post and edit it so that it does not attribute to me something I never said.

Absolutely. "Death to the Jews" and "Intifada" are goth calls for genocide.

I think you need to go back to your post and edit it, as the above is the unaltered quote of your post.

 

[Heyo]

It is when the person has specifically asked you to stop. Last warning.

You are posting in an open forum. I.e. that your posts are available for responses from all members. A demand to not respond is an attempt at censorship. It is as if the government says "Israel is the good guy, basta. We won't allow any backtalk." (Which is essentially what the OP is about, silencing opposition.)
As long as the answers to your posts don't collide with the rules, you will have to deal with the fact that people have different opinions to yours. As well as the government has to allow protests (that abide by the rules) to their governing - at least in a country that claims to be some kind of democracy.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

You're literally going to ignore every other thing I have written to focus on two words?

Try using the search function. I have been a vociferous critic of Hamas.

Now, are you going to respond with the basic respect of dignifying my entire argument with a response, as I do with your posts?

This is a HUGE forum. I dont read MOST of the posts. I'm simply asking you, if there is a post where you openly condemn Hamas for embedding among civilians, causing their deaths, I'd like see it.

It's up to you. If it's too much trouble, I understand.

 

[Godobeyer]

Is a valid concern as antisemitism runs rampant now, but there is hope as there are enough people around who still cares enough for Israel and its people fighting these terrorists along with their vocal antisemitic supporters.

People need to be reminded that they are there for education and not activism by pathological pro terror fanatics trying to stir up trouble with people who just want to learn and be left alone.

There will be a time if someone,
Criticism any Jewish crime would be accused by anti semitic. Or even maybe dispute for normal problem.
Don't afraid we don't kill innocents as IDF terrorist did.
Our God and religion don't allow, we all humans.

If Jews afraid from Muslims, it's bad news because Muslim religion is top 2.
Plus 1 growing religion in world.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I think you need to go back to your post and edit it, as the above is the unaltered quote of your post.

Oh, sorry. It was a typo. S/b "both calls." If you had quoted the whole sentence, that would have been easy for me to see. When you only quoted "goth calls" it made now sense. So the sentence SHOULD read :
"Death to the Jews" and "intifada" are BOTH calls for genocide.

I'll try to go back and fix the typo if I can.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

You are posting in an open forum.

It's not an excuse. You cannot force a conversation with someone who doesn't care for it and still be called polite. If we were in real life at a party, and someone was following you around trying to engage you after you told them to get lost, it would be harassment.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

This is a HUGE forum. I dont read MOST of the posts. I'm simply asking you, if there is a post where you openly condemn Hamas for embedding among civilians, causing their deaths, I'd like see it.

It's up to you. If it's too much trouble, I understand.

I would appreciate it if, instead of being deliberately myopic, you would take my argument in good faith and respond to it in it's entirety.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You altered the text

That is horse**** and you know it. I copied it directly from your post that was edited 25 minutes ago.