School shootings are students' own problem, learning CPR the solution, says Santorum.

[Shad]

Rick Santorum to Student Activists: Don’t March, Learn CPR

Surely even most conservatives would agree that Santorum's statements are beyond imbecilic.

...right?

If you consider his principles which consist of self-reliance, responsibility and individual action he makes sense. He is talking about civic duties but his examples are horrible. He is asking what students would do during a school shooting besides fleeing, doing nothing or becoming political activists.

 

[Father Heathen]

If you consider his principles which consist of self-reliance, responsibility and individual action he makes sense. He is talking about civic duties but his examples are horrible. He is asking what students would do during a school shooting besides fleeing, doing nothing or becoming political activists.

Are you really asking children to be "self-reliant" while they're being mowed down by a torrent of bullets? They shouldn't be placed in that position to begin with, but it really takes a lack of both intelligence and humanity to suggest that children should be responsible for their own survival in such situations. Again, there goes that credibility right down the toilet.

 

[BSM1]

Are you really asking children to be "self-reliant" while they're being mowed down by a torrent of bullets? They shouldn't be placed in that position to begin with, but it really takes a lack of both intelligence and humanity to suggest that children should be responsible for their own survival in such situations. Again, there goes that credibility right down the toilet.

Seriously? They're brave enough to march on the seat of our government and demand we change our constitution with a wave of our hands but they shouldn't at least be a little proactive in protecting themselves? And you wonder why so many college students need their "safe places"? Please...

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Seriously? They're brave enough to march on the seat of our government and demand we change our constitution with a wave of our hands but they shouldn't at least be a little proactive in protecting themselves? And you wonder why so many college students need their "safe places"? Please...

Are you serious? How "proactive" do you think you can be while unarmed and being fired at by an automatic weapon? And surely "being proactive in protecting themselves" is exactly what they are doing by pushing for stricter gun control laws.

 

[Father Heathen]

Seriously? They're brave enough to march on the seat of our government and demand we change our constitution with a wave of our hands but they shouldn't at least be a little proactive in protecting themselves? And you wonder why so many college students need their "safe places"? Please...

Enacting common sense restrictions and requirements doesn't require changing the constitution. Where did that dopey-*** notion come from?
And how would you expect school children to "proactively protect" themselves when caught off guard by chaos, panic, and a barrage of bullets? "Oh, a pile of dead kids? Serves them right for not having the foresight of being little John Rambos." Yet another dopey-*** notion.
Let's drop the goofy spaghetti western fantasies and be serious and realistic, especially when it comes to innocent children for ****'s sake.
As for college "safe places". Yeah, that's stupid but also a completely irrelevent non sequitur.

 

[BSM1]

Are you serious? How "proactive" do you think you can be while unarmed and being fired at by an automatic weapon? And surely "being proactive in protecting themselves" is exactly what they are doing by pushing for stricter gun control laws.

No, you're right. Pass the strictest gun laws known to man and provide a copy to each student to wear like kevlar during the next attack.

Enacting common sense restrictions and requirements doesn't require changing the constitution. Where did that dopey-*** notion come from?
And how would you expect school children to "proactively protect" themselves when caught off guard by chaos, panic, and a barrage of bullets? "Oh, a pile of dead kids? Serves them right for not having the foresight of being little John Rambos." Yet another dopey-*** notion.
Let's drop the goofy spaghetti western fantasies and be serious and realistic, especially when it comes to innocent children for ****'s sake.
As for college "safe places". Yeah, that's stupid but also a completely irrelevent non sequitur.

see above

 

[ImmortalFlame]

No, you're right. Pass the strictest gun laws known to man and provide a copy to each student to wear like kevlar during the next attack.

Because that's totally what they're pushing for, right? Why is it that you're incapable of seeing any middle ground whatsoever? "Oh, they want STRICTER gun control? They must want the STRICTEST GUN LAWS KNOWN TO MAN!!" Get a grip, BSM.

I know it's super fun to make fun of and strawmen teenagers who were very nearly killed in a mass shooting, but I wish you did it with marginally more intelligence.

For reference, here are the gun control measures being pushed for by the Parkland students according to their own publication, the Eagle Eye, as reported by the Guardian:
Parkland students: our manifesto to change America's gun laws | Editorial staff of the Eagle Eye

 

[Father Heathen]

see above

I see. Another embarrassingly mindless ***-pull.

 

[Shad]

Are you really asking children to be "self-reliant" while they're being mowed down by a torrent of bullets?

As opposed to children standing around during a shooting waiting for a sanction authority to tell them what to do.

They shouldn't be placed in that position to begin with, but it really takes a lack of both intelligence and humanity to suggest that children should be responsible for their own survival in such situations.

Again so children so stand around sucking their thumb until ordered to do otherwise? No one placing children in that position besides the shooters.

Again, there goes that credibility right down the toilet.

What?

 

[Father Heathen]

As opposed to children standing around during a shooting waiting for a sanction authority to tell them what to do.
Again so children so stand around sucking their thumb until ordered to do otherwise? No one placing children in that position besides the shooters.

Wow. How old are you, seriously?
The children attempted to flee and hide, which is all they could do. Only a witless oaf would attempt to blame murdered children for their own deaths because they were unable to fight back against assailants with high powered, rapid fire rifles. This sick "Mad Max" fetish needs to end. Bumbling bumpkins will be the end of this country.

 

[Father Heathen]

Because that's totally what they're pushing for, right? Why is it that you're incapable of seeing any middle ground whatsoever? "Oh, they want STRICTER gun control? They must want the STRICTEST GUN LAWS KNOWN TO MAN!!" Get a grip, BSM.

I know it's super fun to make fun of and strawmen teenagers who were very nearly killed in a mass shooting, but I wish you did it with marginally more intelligence.

For reference, here are the gun control measures being pushed for by the Parkland students according to their own publication, the Eagle Eye, as reported by the Guardian:
Parkland students: our manifesto to change America's gun laws | Editorial staff of the Eagle Eye

Yeah, whenever someone suggests that perhaps powerful, high capacity, rapid fire rifles should be a little more difficult to obtain than candy, their eyes roll up in their heads as they froth at the mouth and soil their pants, then they screech and squeal about how the evil librulz comin' to grab all their guns away. It's like a little kid kicking and screaming in a toy isle.
I do support the 2nd amendment, but I also think it's wise to have sane, sensible restrictions, regulations, requirements, etc.
Of course, the embarrassing theatrics of gun fetishists really make it a difficult position to defend. I'm a "gun nut" to the left and a "gun grabber" to the right.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

As opposed to children standing around during a shooting waiting for a sanction authority to tell them what to do.

What the hell are you talking about? Are you suggesting we should arm students?

 

[oldbadger]

For reference, here are the gun control measures being pushed for by the Parkland students according to their own publication, the Eagle Eye, as reported by the Guardian:
Parkland students: our manifesto to change America's gun laws | Editorial staff of the Eagle Eye

That's the first time I have seen the Parkland Student's proposals.

Thankyou for posting them up.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

That's the first time I have seen the Parkland Student's proposals.

Thankyou for posting them up.

No worries. I'm wondering if it may be worth putting them up in their own thread, since I rarely see people mention these specific proposals.

 

[oldbadger]

No worries. I'm wondering if it may be worth putting them up in their own thread, since I rarely see people mention these specific proposals.

Fair enough........
That would make a good debate, I reckon.

 

[Shad]

What the hell are you talking about? Are you suggesting we should arm students?

Nope just do more than become political activists. Anti-bully, outreach groups, etc. Heck one of students acknowledged Cruz had issues but choose to ostracize rather than attempt anything positive.

 

[Shad]

Wow. How old are you, seriously?

Old enough to be from a generation that helped the community instead of demands others do it for them.

The children attempted to flee and hide, which is all they could do. Only a witless oaf would attempt to blame murdered children for their own deaths because they were unable to fight back against assailants with high powered, rapid fire rifles. This sick "Mad Max" fetish needs to end. Bumbling bumpkins will be the end of this country.

Neither the video nor did I blame the students.

 

[Shaul]

A frontal lobotomy could fix Santorum better than CPR could solve school shootings.

I’m just saying...

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Old enough to be from a generation that helped the community instead of demands others do it for them.



Neither the video nor did I blame the students.

Your first sentence appears to contradict your first.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Nope just do more than become political activists. Anti-bully, outreach groups, etc. Heck one of students acknowledged Cruz had issues but choose to ostracize rather than attempt anything positive.

"Outreach groups"? Any evidence to suggest that bullying is a major factor in producing school shooters?