Science and Jesus

[ChristineM]

The theory of evolution is not a healthy fiction to societies. We can see what humans can do when they don't fear God.

Yes just look at Russia and Ukraine, both strong religious countries
Just look at Israel and Gaza, both strong in the religious department.

 

[Eli G]

I didn't add any to what was written more than two millenials ago:

Is. 1:2 Hear, O heavens, and pay attention, O earth,
For Jehovah has spoken:
“Sons I have brought up and raised,
But they have revolted against me.
3 A bull well knows its buyer,
And a donkey the manger of its owner;
But Israel does not know me,
My own people do not behave with understanding.”
4 Woe to the sinful nation,
The people weighed down with error,
A brood of wicked men, corrupt children!
They have abandoned Jehovah;
They have treated the Holy One of Israel with disrespect;
They have turned their backs on him.
5 Where will you be struck next as you add to your rebellion?
The whole head is sick,
And the whole heart is diseased.
6 From the sole of the foot to the head, nothing is healthy.
There are wounds and bruises and open sores
—They have not been treated or bound up or softened with oil.
7 Your land is desolate.
Your cities are burned with fire.
Foreigners devour your land right in front of you.
It is like a wasteland overthrown by foreigners.

Isn't it true that those words exactly describe the terrible condition that humanity and the planet are in? The inspired Word of God is not wrong... humans are.

2 Tim. 3:1 But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, 3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, 4 betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, 5 having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power; and from these turn away.

That is why we wait on the Creator to fulfill his promise:

Rev. 11:18 "But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time came for the dead to be judged and to reward your slaves the prophets and the holy ones and those fearing your name, the small and the great, and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth.”

Who wouldn't like human conditions to improve? Wouldn't you?

 

[Dimi95]

The theory of evolution is fiction.

Since when Biology is fiction?

 

[Eli G]

Since when "biology" means "evolution"?

 

[ChristineM]

Who wouldn't like human conditions to improve? Wouldn't you?

I must say, religion (and politics) have not done much to improve human conditions. Whereas science most certainly has.

 

[sun rise]

Yes just look at Russia and Ukraine, both strong religious countries
Just look at Israel and Gaza, both strong in the religious department.

Yup. Religion becomes an excuse.

 

[Eli G]

Atheism is not science at all. It is just a philosophical stance.

Many scientists have a different stance ...

 

[Dimi95]

Atheism is not science at all. It is just a philosophical stance.

Many scientists have a different stance ...

Atheism and Evolution are two different subjects.

Evolution is explained with molecular biology,anatomy and embryology.

 

[ChristineM]

Atheism is not science at all. It is just a philosophical stance.

Many scientists have a different stance ...

No one says atheism is a science except people who misrepresentat what they don't like in an silly attempt to discredit the object of their hatred

I understand around 92% of scientists have no belief in god or gods

Whereas approximately the same percentage of criminals in prison do worship a god belief

 

[Eli G]

Yup. Religion becomes an excuse.

And even so, that is true ... false religions don't show any fear of God, not of Jesus' God:

Matt. 5:43 “You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those loving you, what reward do you have? Are not also the tax collectors doing the same thing? 47 And if you greet your brothers only, what extraordinary thing are you doing? Are not also the people of the nations doing the same thing? 48 You must accordingly be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

Actually, the fact that most nations are religion-driven shows how childish atheists are.

 

[Eli G]

... Evolution is explained with molecular biology,anatomy and embryology.

Paper holds up to anything you write on it.

 

[sun rise]

I must say, religion (and politics) have not done much to improve human conditions. Whereas science most certainly has.

That reduces humans to animals by ignoring arts, architecture, music and literature.

 

[metis]

The theory of evolution is not a healthy fiction to societies. We can see what humans can do when they don't fear God.

False on both accounts. Evolution is just plain old common sense that has been well established over a few short centuries involving objective study. Religion itself doesn't have a spotless record as how many people over the centuries been killed in the name of "God" including between different Christian faiths?

 

[Dimi95]

I understand around 92% of scientists have no belief in god or gods

Whereas approximately the same percentage of criminals in prison do worship a god belief

How does the first connect with the second?

Criminals are only in jail or what?

How many of those 92% are criminals , but not in jail?

 

[Eli G]

... Evolution is just plain old common sense ...

Common sense would never claim that something showing design would form on its own... much less that life would emerge from something inanimate. But statements like the one I quote show how far from reality atheists are.

 

[ChristineM]

Actually, the fact that most nations are religion-driven shows how childish atheists are.

Russia, very religious country even while Stalin was opening churches
Germany under Hitler, strong protestant country.
Pol Pot ruled Cambodia with his Catholic education and Buddhist religion.

I see where you are going with this

 

[Eli G]

A few countries can be mentioned that have proclaimed themselves atheists during the last years of human history... Have those governments been better?

 

[ChristineM]

How does the first connect with the second?

Criminals are only in jail or what?

How many of those 92% are criminals , but not in jail?

Just a comparison, not a connection.

I specifically wrote "criminals in prison" because they are the only group with data available

 

[metis]

Common sense would never claim that something showing design would form on its own...

That is not what the ToE says, as abiogenesis is one hypothesis. A survey of Christian theologians I saw some years ago had it that about 70% of them said the basic ToE is compatible with Christian theology as long as it assumes God was behind it all.

But statements like the one I quote show how far from reality atheists are.

I'm not an atheist, but it's highly unfortunate that you're willing to stereotype atheists.

 

[Eli G]

Since in thousands of years of human history no system of government has brought such conditions upon humanity, I prefer to be more realistic and wait on the promise of our Creator.

Ecl. 8:9 All of this I have seen, and I applied my heart to every work that has been done under the sun, during the time that man has dominated man to his harm.

This is what the God of the Bible, the One Abraham, Moses, Isaiah, Jesus, Paul, believed in, will do for humans:

Rev. 21:3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”