Science and Religion: Allies Not Enemies

[dust1n]

I don't believe you have emotions. That's my opinion. You don't believe in God, I don't believe in you.

Okay. And it's my opinion that your opinion is basically worth less than dirt. Anything else?

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Under your most divine tutelage even one such as myself can be made acceptable to one so divinely graced as you and through you the one from which all grace spills forth. Please, do not forsake me, oh great knower of all things! I am lost without most excellent guidance!

You are just rejecting regular subjectivity with your scientism. It is of course you who is the elitist exclusivist who takes away opinion on what is good and evil from people, and makes it into an issue for professors to determine.

 

[dust1n]

Because no verifiable evidence can be shown for evolution, it remains a hoax.

Because no verifiable evidence can be shown for God and Jesus, it remains a hoax.


Consistency.

 

[Marisa]

You are just rejecting regular subjectivity with your scientism. It is of course you who is the elitist exclusivist who takes away opinion on what is good and evil from people, and makes it into an issue for professors to determine.

I am humbled by your most excellent counting of my many faults, which I can only hope to know through your most divine rendering to me of what I am. Pray continue, that I may be made acceptable to one so divine as the great knower of all things!

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Okay. And it's my opinion that your opinion is basically worth less than dirt. Anything else?

You are getting the hang of it. My opinion about you having no emotions, is about who you are choosing the things you do. But I arrived at the opinion by choosing it, so the opinion just as well says as much about who I am as choosing the things I do.

You are still not acknowleding any is real on a subjective basis, you are still rejecting subjectivity altogether. The "worth less than dirt", you are still not acknowledging spiritual worth, you are in stead referring to a science about worth in which dirt has a numerically low value.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

They didn't have religion on Star Trek so that proves science will win in the end....

 

[dust1n]

You are getting the hang of it. My opinion about you having no emotions, is about who you are choosing the things you do. But I arrived at the opinion by choosing it, so the opinion just as well says as much about who I am as choosing the things I do.

I agree. It matters not whether I actually do have emotions or not. It only matters whether you choose to believe I have emotions or not. It's the same subjectivity that allows me to dismiss you and all of your opinions as nonsensical.

You are still not acknowleding any is real on a subjective basis,

Everything about my life is real on a subjective basis. My family, light, work, dirt. There are many things I would consider real on a subjective basis and many things I wouldn't. The latter would mainly include God and any prophet associated with him.

The "worth less than dirt", you are still not acknowledging spiritual worth, you are in stead referring to a science about worth in which dirt has a numerically low value.

Sorry, let me clarify. I find your opinions about my me, and in general, to worth less than sodomy. There's a low value the subjective me and your Bible can agree on.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

I agree. It matters not whether I actually do have emotions or not. It only matters whether you choose to believe I have emotions or not. It's the same subjectivity that allows me to dismiss you and all of your opinions as nonsensical.

Everything about my life is real on a subjective basis. My family, light, work, dirt. There are many things I would consider real on a subjective basis and many things I wouldn't. The latter would mainly include God and any prophet associated with him.

Sorry, let me clarify. I find your opinions about my me, and in general, to worth less than sodomy. There's a low value the subjective me and your Bible can agree on.

That's nonsense. You regard dirt to be real on an objective basis, you accept anything is real on an objective basis only. And then because that leaves no room for any subjectivity whatsoever, you have simply added a subjective element to objectivity.

You don't really have opinions, because you don't accept subjectivity is valid. There is no emotion behind the opinions, you have no emotions.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

I am humbled by your most excellent counting of my many faults, which I can only hope to know through your most divine rendering to me of what I am. Pray continue, that I may be made acceptable to one so divine as the great knower of all things!

In all societies you have the evolutionist intellectual cliques who want to take control of policy and bypass democracy, because they presume to know for a fact what is good and evil. And then they try dictator judges to bypass democracy.

 

[dust1n]

That's nonsense. You regard dirt to be real on an objective basis

I don't know what dirt is other than it's on the ground, I can stick my hand into it and make my hand dirty and it has no use to me at all, but I prefer it over your opinion.

, you accept anything is real on an objective basis only. And then because that leaves no room for any subjectivity whatsoever, you have simply added a subjective element to objectivity.

No, you've convinced me there is no material reality, no objectivity at all. Only subjectivity. Subjectivity is the manner by which I determine what is real. And what I determine is real is not God or any of his prophets.

You don't really have opinions, because you don't accept subjectivity is valid.

No sir, I do have opinions. God is not real is an opinion. You do not accept my opinion because you do not accept subjectivity as valid.

There is no emotion behind the opinions, you have no emotions.

There is emotion behind my opinion that God is not real, and that your opinion about my opinions and emotions are more worthless and less moral than sodomy (something me and your holy book subjectively agree to be bad.) Emotions that I am currently feeling right now: good, relaxed, humored, distracted. All because I choose to believe no God exists.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

I don't know what dirt is other than it's on the ground, I can stick my hand into it and make my hand dirty and it has no use to me at all, but I prefer it over your opinion.



No, you've convinced me there is no material reality, no objectivity at all. Only subjectivity. Subjectivity is the manner by which I determine what is real. And what I determine is real is not God or any of his prophets.



No sir, I do have opinions. God is not real is an opinion. You do not accept my opinion because you do not accept subjectivity as valid.



There is emotion behind my opinion that God is not real, and that your opinion about my opinions and emotions are more worthless and less moral than sodomy (something me and your holy book subjectively agree to be bad.) Emotions that I am currently feeling right now: good, relaxed, humored, distracted. All because I choose to believe no God exists.

That's a strawman. Creationism has 2 parts, the creator and the creation. The existence of the creator is a matter of opinion, the existence of the creation is a matter of fact. So creationism accomodates subjectivity with 1 entire fundamental category, but it accommodates objectivity with 1 entire fundamental category as well. You solely accept objectivity.

 

[dust1n]

That's a strawman. Creationism has 2 parts, the creator and the creation. The existence of the creator is a matter of opinion, the existence of the creation is a matter of fact. So creationism accomodates subjectivity with 1 entire fundamental category, but it accommodates objectivity with 1 entire fundamental category as well. You solely accept objectivity.

I don't accept objectivity at all. There is only subjectivity. You do not accept my subjectivity, and seek to objectify it.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Not caring for anything whatsoever is of course what evolutionists teach.

Absurd and ignorant post. Kudos on the consistency.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Absurd and ignorant post. Kudos on the consistency.

Anybody paying attention to it knows it's true, the inceasing coldheartedness and depression in society is coming from the evolutionists.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Anybody paying attention to it knows it's true, the inceasing coldheartedness and depression in society is coming from the evolutionists.

Don't forget the increasing levels of religious extremism. That's a reaction to evolutionists also.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Don't forget the increasing levels of religious extremism. That's a reaction to evolutionists also.

Yes.

 

[jonathan180iq]

The existence of the creator is a matter of opinion, the existence of the creation is a matter of fact.

How can there absolutely be a "creation" if the existence of the creator is merely an opinion?

 

[dust1n]

Don't forget the increasing levels of religious extremism. That's a reaction to evolutionists also.

Also, don't forget anything bad in the world. Haven't you noticed the increasing levels of everything bad in the wold? That's emotionless evolutionists, obviously.

 

[dust1n]

How can there absolutely be a "creation" if the existence of the creator is merely an opinion?

Creation needs creator.

Design needs designer.

Universe apparently needs a universer.

 

[jonathan180iq]

Creation needs creator.

Design needs designer.

Universe apparently needs a universer.

Exactly.
It's a huge flaw in the argument.